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Self-driving trucks begin mail delivery test for U.S. Postal Service

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>TuSimple and the USPS declined to disclose the cost of the program, but Frum said no tax dollars were used and the agency relies on revenue from sales of postage and other products. Really? This is exactly the kind of thing we should be spending tax dollars on. I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget but they provide a lot of valuable services in addition to…

>I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget

A concentrated disinformation campaign funded by people who stand to benefit from privatizing mail delivery. It started with the mandate to pre-fund pension and healthcare benefits for the next 75 years, funding pensions for retired employees who aren't even born yet. That means by federal mandate, the USPS is sitting on $400 billion that they can't touch [1]. That's not all bad in and of itself, but they're also limited by law on what they can charge for stamps, and the federal review board doesn't always let them increase prices to keep up with costs [2].

The same group of people who forced the USPS into an precedented fiscal nightmare are the same people going on TV and telling you that the USPS is fiscally irresponsible and a waste of money and should be privatized. Not a big surprise that Rep Tom Davis III was the author of the bill passed in 2006 but in 2004 FedEx was one of his biggest campaign contributors.

[1] https://www.uspsoig.gov/blog/be-careful-what-you-assume

[2] https://www.cnbc.com/id/39439918

[3] https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr6407

[4] https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors...

Re: Self-driving trucks begin mail delivery test for U.S. Postal Service

#32
post #27

Totally self driving. Well, except for the driver. And also the engineer sitting next to the driver. But otherwise, self driving.

From TFA: > “A safety driver will sit behind the wheel to intervene if necessary and an engineer will ride in the passenger seat.” I’m not sure where you went from “intervene if necessary” to mocking what seems to me to be a significant achievement.

> I’m not sure where you went from “intervene if necessary” to mocking what is a significant achievement.

How do you know it's a significant achievement?

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#33

Totally self driving. Well, except for the driver. And also the engineer sitting next to the driver. But otherwise, self driving.

Good grief, give them a break. It's a prototype. Surely we wouldn't want them to turn it loose on public roads without proper monitoring and a human ready to intervene if something goes wrong.

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>TuSimple and the USPS declined to disclose the cost of the program, but Frum said no tax dollars were used and the agency relies on revenue from sales of postage and other products. Really? This is exactly the kind of thing we should be spending tax dollars on. I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget but they provide a lot of valuable services in addition to…

A valuable service which they charge money for, and should generate revenue to cover their costs. Pension funding politics aside, I want to pay USPS postage fees which cover the cost of the service they provide. There’s no reason to be paying below cost postage to USPS. I find that their rates are extremely competitive, particularly priority mail flat rate compared to UPS or FedEx. I think the post office could be do…

You can't put aside the pension funding politics but still want to pay the USPS more, since the price of postage fees is set by federal law and must be approved by Congress. The reason you pay below cost to the USPS is because Congress demands it.

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I always wondered why it seems we've get automated trucks pretty soon everywhere, but there is almost no one talking about self driving trains?

I think nobody talks about automated trains because they actually work.

A handy map of projects worldwide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications-based_train_con...

A little story about the MTA's experience:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMT_Canarsie_Line#Automation_a...

Re: Self-driving trucks begin mail delivery test for U.S. Postal Service

#36
post #7

>TuSimple and the USPS declined to disclose the cost of the program, but Frum said no tax dollars were used and the agency relies on revenue from sales of postage and other products. Really? This is exactly the kind of thing we should be spending tax dollars on. I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget but they provide a lot of valuable services in addition to…

>I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget A concentrated disinformation campaign funded by people who stand to benefit from privatizing mail delivery. It started with the mandate to pre-fund pension and healthcare benefits for the next 75 years, funding pensions for retired employees who aren't even born yet. That means by federal mandate, the USPS is sitting…

This is happening everywhere with all kinds of government services. "Slash budgets" and by firing full time employees and cutting investment, piecemeal it out to the lowest-bid contractor, the quality of service deteriorates, not much money is actually saved, but someone gets rich(er)!

Re: Self-driving trucks begin mail delivery test for U.S. Postal Service

#37
post #7

>TuSimple and the USPS declined to disclose the cost of the program, but Frum said no tax dollars were used and the agency relies on revenue from sales of postage and other products. Really? This is exactly the kind of thing we should be spending tax dollars on. I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget but they provide a lot of valuable services in addition to…

I didn't even know until about a month ago that the USPS is one of the only constitutionally-mandated federal institutions (in school, we focused a lot on the Bill of Rights, not so much on the articles themselves).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget A concentrated disinformation campaign funded by people who stand to benefit from privatizing mail delivery. It started with the mandate to pre-fund pension and healthcare benefits for the next 75 years, funding pensions for retired employees who aren't even born yet. That means by federal mandate, the USPS is sitting…

This is happening everywhere with all kinds of government services. "Slash budgets" and by firing full time employees and cutting investment, piecemeal it out to the lowest-bid contractor, the quality of service deteriorates, not much money is actually saved, but someone gets rich(er)!

And when the service fails, you can point to it as the reason government solutions don't work and how regulation is bad, which provides convenient reasoning to strip more regulations and privatize more government services.

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post #18

Curious, are these pilot programs sending the trucks out completely driverless? Or are there going to be humans in the "cockpit" sort of managing things and taking occasional naps?

Did you read the first paragraph? > San Diego-based startup TuSimple said its self-driving trucks will begin hauling mail between USPS facilities in Phoenix and Dallas to see how the nascent technology might improve delivery times and costs. A safety driver will sit behind the wheel to intervene if necessary and an engineer will ride in the passenger seat.

Oops. I did skim it, but apparently my skimming skills are terrible. My bad.
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