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Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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> Mark Zuckerberg testified in-front of congress and stated they do I just want to point out that "testified in-front of Congress" seems to have no relation to the truth of any statement. I don't recall the last time (if ever) there have been legal ramifications for lying in front of Congress. Zuckerberg also testified that shadow profiles don't exist and that users can always remove their personal information from F…

> I don't recall the last time (if ever) there have been legal ramifications for lying in front of Congress. It's one of the reasons Cohen is in prison, isn't it?

He lied to the FBI after a plea bargain which involved him telling them the truth. From memory, this all happened before his Congress testimony but it's definitely not related.

It is illegal to lie to Congress (unrelated to whether you're under oath or not), but I can think of very few examples where there were real ramifications for it.

Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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This is a big reason I view the new “we’ll automatically delete your data!” Crap as disingenuous at best. They’ve already learned everything from the data in a few hours, it’s useless after that anyhow.

Is that really a problem for users though? Users want to delete watch history, which they can. Classifier models predicting what you want to watch are not the video watch history, nor are the models capable of producing it.

> Classifier models predicting what you want to watch

But that probably is not the only model generated from your data, is it? They probably have many other models generated from your data, everything from ad-displaying models to profiling models for Hydra.

Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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Lots of people in this thread are claiming that it doesn't based on gut feeling, but consider: - Facebook publicly claims it does [1] - Mark Zuckerberg testified in-front of congress and stated they do [2] - Multiple government regulators have specifically checked that it does in their privacy audits. [3] They might be lying and actively conspiring to not delete it, but they'd have to have a very good reason to take…

> Mark Zuckerberg testified in-front of congress and stated they do I just want to point out that "testified in-front of Congress" seems to have no relation to the truth of any statement. I don't recall the last time (if ever) there have been legal ramifications for lying in front of Congress. Zuckerberg also testified that shadow profiles don't exist and that users can always remove their personal information from F…

Testifying in Congress absolutely carries legal ramifications. It's just pretty hard to pin it so I agree with the "difficult" sentiment.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/11/is-zuckerberg-under-oath-c...

John M Poindexter was one who was convicted of lying to Congress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poindexter#U.S._executive...

Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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> Mark Zuckerberg testified in-front of congress and stated they do I just want to point out that "testified in-front of Congress" seems to have no relation to the truth of any statement. I don't recall the last time (if ever) there have been legal ramifications for lying in front of Congress. Zuckerberg also testified that shadow profiles don't exist and that users can always remove their personal information from F…

Testifying in Congress absolutely carries legal ramifications. It's just pretty hard to pin it so I agree with the "difficult" sentiment. https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/11/is-zuckerberg-under-oath-c... John M Poindexter was one who was convicted of lying to Congress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poindexter#U.S._executive...

I agree that it is technically illegal, but if the most recent example of a conviction (that you can think of) was almost 30 years ago that tells you that it's effectively unenforced.

Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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What do you think the chances are that Facebook actually does any delete operation on their data? I'm sure this is simply marking it as hidden in their database. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but to me the only way to take back something you say on social media, is to never have posted it in the first place.

There are a million reasons to agree that the data is never actually deleted * need to retain data to fulfill government requests * internal auditing * it's all backed up in some "data lake" somewhere to do internal ml or analytics on * hundreds of copies in database backups from different times * internal logs that contain the data * it's already been analyzed and aggregated into learning products and models that ar…

Say someone uploads pedophilia images to facebook. Does it ever get deleted ? Or stays in the datalake ?

Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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I don't trust the "delete" button to scrub it from FB's database. I'd be slightly more confident ( slightly ) that editing the post might cause the core data in the db to be updated, however. In which case, I think the more effective script would be one that goes through all of your FB posts and scrambles them, or replaces the text with gibberish.

Lots of people in this thread are claiming that it doesn't based on gut feeling, but consider: - Facebook publicly claims it does [1] - Mark Zuckerberg testified in-front of congress and stated they do [2] - Multiple government regulators have specifically checked that it does in their privacy audits. [3] They might be lying and actively conspiring to not delete it, but they'd have to have a very good reason to take…

Doesn't Facebook still have a zoo of MySQL schemas in production for each table? While I'd believe the product works as intended in some fraction of production, I think it's reasonable to suspect some or all of the system is broken for a non-trivial set of users and/or groups.

And then, what about all the data copied into Hive? Copied to 3rd parties? Does Facebook go and delete data that 3rd parties took?

Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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I don't trust the "delete" button to scrub it from FB's database. I'd be slightly more confident ( slightly ) that editing the post might cause the core data in the db to be updated, however. In which case, I think the more effective script would be one that goes through all of your FB posts and scrambles them, or replaces the text with gibberish.

Lots of people in this thread are claiming that it doesn't based on gut feeling, but consider: - Facebook publicly claims it does [1] - Mark Zuckerberg testified in-front of congress and stated they do [2] - Multiple government regulators have specifically checked that it does in their privacy audits. [3] They might be lying and actively conspiring to not delete it, but they'd have to have a very good reason to take…

One of the first thing I learned in the IT industry...do not delete any data no matter what the circumstance is! And I believe internet companies whose life and soul is data would not want to delete it

Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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This is the case with many other online platforms (such as reddit) in that the original content of a post is still reachable if it was deleted, so a common method is to "scrub" edit your posts then delete them. However at Facebook's size, and given they're known for 0 privacy, they likely track all changes anyway.

Reddit doesn't actually store the history of your edits, only that you edited it (which is why, when you scrub reddit history, people recommend editing it because then your posting is gone except for say a backup). Facebook, however, allows you to see the history of posts so if someone edits it you can see what they originally posted. I don't think editing a Facebook post first would have the desired effect.

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Re: DeleteFB: Selenium script to delete all of your Facebook wall posts

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I don't trust the "delete" button to scrub it from FB's database. I'd be slightly more confident ( slightly ) that editing the post might cause the core data in the db to be updated, however. In which case, I think the more effective script would be one that goes through all of your FB posts and scrambles them, or replaces the text with gibberish.

I believe they keep a history of edits. They do for comments. The gibberish thing would be useless

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