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Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by toomuchtodo »

drcode wrote: post #60
toomuchtodo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank

So, I know people that create lists like this think they're helping things, but the people that created this site are basically "think tank" people, and I don't really think they have the expertise to make such precise quantitative claims- Almost no one on their staff has strong economics training as far as I can tell. Yes, they have science expertise, but none of the science is really in dispute anymore among reason…

Have a better suggestion? You have to start somewhere.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by mixmastamyk »

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #6

I guess I'm considered a millennial, but messages like this sound like misconceived pandering. Firstly, I don't think any generation necessarily "owes" anything to future generations. But, even if we accept the premise, I am the beneficiary of absolutely mind-boggling amounts of technological advancement, culture, progress, infrastructure, science, and on and on and on even just over the course of my own lifetime (ap…

They don't owe it as much as they stole more than their share, and continue to build deficits and prevent housing for younger generations.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by sandworm101 »

Not has. They are failing us today. Boomers have all the money and political power yet are doing nothing. Dont say sorry for things you did yesturday. Stop doing what you are doing today. Stop talking and help us fix the problems.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lucasmullens wrote: post #28
Animats wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The free market does that. People who can't generate more revenue than they cost are dead weight in a capitalistic system. It's not common to say that, but the US certainly works that way.

It's not about the definition of "dead weight", people are downvoting you because it's a fairly mean phrase to use to refer to your fellow human beings.

It's a statement describing his take on the situation, not an insult.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by drcode »

chris_va wrote: post #76
drcode wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I claim no expertise on this issue, but it seems pretty obvious to me (perhaps wrongly, I'll admit) that the only reason carbon taxes are popular as a solution is PRECISELY because they don't work- i.e. they allow oil companies to continue extracting oil and sell it to people who then burn it into CO2. The idea that carbon taxes are a meaningful economic incentive seems mostly like wishful thinking- It seems obvious…

I think you maybe (or not, couldn't tell) misunderstand the point of the tax. The point is to build a profitable market they can buy from to avoid paying the tax. With my climate hat on (not to be confused with the environmentalist hat), I have no problem with oil companies continuing to pump out oil as long as they put the Co2 back into the ground. If they prefer to pay a $100/ton tax to pump it out over paying some…

You have more authority on this subject than I do, given your background, but I remain convinced that any "solution" in which the oil companies take combustible carbon molecules from "below ground" to "above ground" is doomed, even if reasonable carbon sequestration tech is developed.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by bumby »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #58
Animats wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The free market does that. People who can't generate more revenue than they cost are dead weight in a capitalistic system. It's not common to say that, but the US certainly works that way.

The whole article linked to explains that the reason for high youth unemployment is not "capitalism" of "free markets", but the opposite, an unhealthily large public sector, and and unhealthily small private sector - what they need is more economic freedom, and *more" free markets, not less

That may explain the middle east and north Africa but doesn't seem to address the OP regarding the U.S. The census data I found looks like the public/private ratio has been pretty consistent since the 1980s

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by Animats »

bumby wrote: post #86
ghufran_syed wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole article linked to explains that the reason for high youth unemployment is not "capitalism" of "free markets", but the opposite, an unhealthily large public sector, and and unhealthily small private sector - what they need is more economic freedom, and *more" free markets, not less

That may explain the middle east and north Africa but doesn't seem to address the OP regarding the U.S. The census data I found looks like the public/private ratio has been pretty consistent since the 1980s

Yes, the oil states have bloated public sectors and dysfunctional governments. But the same basic problem - large numbers of young people with no jobs and no future.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by askafriend »

ibeckermayer wrote: post #64

Tim Cook can blabber all he wants about his supposed concerned about filter bubbles — his company, on his watch, is banning alternative social media platforms from putting apps on his App Store (Gab, for example). While he spouts off about taking action instead of debating, he actively bans alternatives to the status-quo. Shut it, Tim. I don’t buy your propaganda.

Gab is extremely toxic trash...I can completely see why they'd ban it.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by paulcole »

grecy wrote: post #30
NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #6

I guess I'm considered a millennial, but messages like this sound like misconceived pandering. Firstly, I don't think any generation necessarily "owes" anything to future generations. But, even if we accept the premise, I am the beneficiary of absolutely mind-boggling amounts of technological advancement, culture, progress, infrastructure, science, and on and on and on even just over the course of my own lifetime (ap…

> Firstly, I don't think any generation necessarily "owes" anything to future generations Surely - at a bare minimum - it's everyone's responsibility to leave a habitable planet for future generations. Greed now is going to result in a very, very crappy place to live in the future.

Could you make an argument that speeding up human extinction is actually best for the planet in the long run?

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by drcode »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #81
drcode wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, I know people that create lists like this think they're helping things, but the people that created this site are basically "think tank" people, and I don't really think they have the expertise to make such precise quantitative claims- Almost no one on their staff has strong economics training as far as I can tell. Yes, they have science expertise, but none of the science is really in dispute anymore among reason…

Have a better suggestion? You have to start somewhere.

I have outlined my concrete suggestions elsewhere in this comments section (though they don't carry much weight since I am stumped just as much as everyone else)

...but a specific suggestion for these folks would be to simply not publish claims on these sorts of matters with 4 significant digits of precision.

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