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Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by selimthegrim » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:28 PM UTC

chris_va wrote: post #57

drcode wrote: post #21

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...the problem is, I'm not really convinced that we really know of a specific "something" that we can do that wouldn't backfire and make emissions even worse by creating perverse incentives elsewhere in the economy. The only idea I've heard that would likely help in a meaningful way would be to simply make all domestic oil and natural gas extraction 100% illegal and try to convince some other nations to do the same.…

(disclaimer: I'm part of a climate&energy research group) While climate change seems like a daunting and unsolvable problem at an individual level, to be honest it is fairly easy to solve with political solutions provided you could unblock the political machinery. I used to be fairly pessimistic about this, as a researcher, but now I think it's mostly a matter of getting political interest to align at the same time.…

Canada tried that with a rebate to boot at the federal level. Look at what’s happening in Alberta and Ontario.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by crankylinuxuser » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:28 PM UTC

lucasmullens wrote: post #28

Animats wrote: post #20

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The free market does that. People who can't generate more revenue than they cost are dead weight in a capitalistic system. It's not common to say that, but the US certainly works that way.

It's not about the definition of "dead weight", people are downvoting you because it's a fairly mean phrase to use to refer to your fellow human beings.

Animats may be saying thats what a capitalist system treats the downtrodden, but the actual actions are by that very capitalist system.

In order to face a problem, you have to be able to talk about it. And capitalism stratifies the "work" and "cannot work" brutally. And as a killing blow, then proceeds to separate food/shelter/communications and the means to try to make oneself better. In this way, capitalism forces the poverty-stricken to rely on charity of others, for 'market forces' nearly removes the ability to climb the ladder of success.

If you find using the term "dead weight" abhorrent (as I do), what are you doing about the root cause; capitalism?

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by maxxxxx » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:28 PM UTC

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #24

tedivm wrote: post #9

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I think there are numerous ways in which Tim Cook's generation has failed the next generation (at least in the US). * Wages are flat, * Housing costs are up (in large part due to NIMBYism), * College is more expensive (in large part due to Cook's generation cutting subsidies that they got), * Environment is shot- that whole global warming thing isn't going away anytime soon. Generally speaking the baby boomers, as a…

What are you asking for? The world has changed drastically, culture and preferences have changed drastically, and new technological tools make the job and economic landscape entirely different than earlier. That's not Baby Boomers' fault. Are you really going to blame them for not predicting the future well enough? Baby boomers aren't forcing young folks to like living in cities more than suburbs. They're not malicio…

One thing that has happened in the last few decades is that increases in prosperity mainly went to a few at the top and for the rest it stagnated. I think you can put the blame on the people in power during that time.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by ibeckermayer » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:31 PM UTC

Tim Cook can blabber all he wants about his supposed concerned about filter bubbles — his company, on his watch, is banning alternative social media platforms from putting apps on his App Store (Gab, for example).

While he spouts off about taking action instead of debating, he actively bans alternatives to the status-quo. Shut it, Tim. I don’t buy your propaganda.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by SimbaOnSteroids » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:36 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #36

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #24

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What are you asking for? The world has changed drastically, culture and preferences have changed drastically, and new technological tools make the job and economic landscape entirely different than earlier. That's not Baby Boomers' fault. Are you really going to blame them for not predicting the future well enough? Baby boomers aren't forcing young folks to like living in cities more than suburbs. They're not malicio…

> They didn't blow up the world Yes they did. Climate change is going to be, and already is, disastrous.

People are complaining about the Syrian refugees crisis, that's literally the tip of the iceberg.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by chris_va » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:36 PM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #61

chris_va wrote: post #57

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(disclaimer: I'm part of a climate&energy research group) While climate change seems like a daunting and unsolvable problem at an individual level, to be honest it is fairly easy to solve with political solutions provided you could unblock the political machinery. I used to be fairly pessimistic about this, as a researcher, but now I think it's mostly a matter of getting political interest to align at the same time.…

Canada tried that with a rebate to boot at the federal level. Look at what’s happening in Alberta and Ontario.

That's a great start, but from my understanding that legislation stops at $50/ton, which is a problem.

You really need it to keep ramping up to get the price discovery. It's possible that at $51/ton the problem would solve itself (e.g. someone sells a way to pull Co2 out of a flue-gas stack, which then becomes profitable and marches down the learning curve), but wouldn't occur at $50.

By itself, $50/ton would make a huge difference in the PV learning curve in the US, but since Canada has such a terrible generation profile it doesn't even help that much.

You might get lucky, but most analysis I've seen puts the initial price point optimistically at $70-80/ton (flue-gas), and $130/ton for the walk-away and be happy knowing you saved the earth solution (DAC). Before that point, it mostly just shifts around accounting.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by pdq » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:36 PM UTC

In my opinion, the much bigger issue is the burden of public debt (and Social Security/Medicare liabilities) being saddled onto future generations. Currently it's $181k per taxpayer, excluding Social Security/Medicare. [1]

We've kicked the can down the road for decades, and one day those debts will come due. Whichever generation inherits it, will pay a huge price, whether that is massive monetary inflation, or default on the debts.

[1] https://usdebtclock.org/

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by SimbaOnSteroids » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:37 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #53

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #24

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What are you asking for? The world has changed drastically, culture and preferences have changed drastically, and new technological tools make the job and economic landscape entirely different than earlier. That's not Baby Boomers' fault. Are you really going to blame them for not predicting the future well enough? Baby boomers aren't forcing young folks to like living in cities more than suburbs. They're not malicio…

>> They didn't blow up the world That's a depressingly low bar for "not failing".

And even so they've failed there too.

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by headsoup » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:37 PM UTC

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #24

tedivm wrote: post #9

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I think there are numerous ways in which Tim Cook's generation has failed the next generation (at least in the US). * Wages are flat, * Housing costs are up (in large part due to NIMBYism), * College is more expensive (in large part due to Cook's generation cutting subsidies that they got), * Environment is shot- that whole global warming thing isn't going away anytime soon. Generally speaking the baby boomers, as a…

What are you asking for? The world has changed drastically, culture and preferences have changed drastically, and new technological tools make the job and economic landscape entirely different than earlier. That's not Baby Boomers' fault. Are you really going to blame them for not predicting the future well enough? Baby boomers aren't forcing young folks to like living in cities more than suburbs. They're not malicio…

The undertone of your posts appears to be that climate change is not that big of a deal. Do you think we're facing an incredibly serious problem with climate change or just some minor corrections to be made?

Re: Tim Cook’s Message to 2019 Graduates: ‘My Generation Has Failed You’

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Post by skellington » Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:38 PM UTC

tedivm wrote: post #9

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #6

I guess I'm considered a millennial, but messages like this sound like misconceived pandering. Firstly, I don't think any generation necessarily "owes" anything to future generations. But, even if we accept the premise, I am the beneficiary of absolutely mind-boggling amounts of technological advancement, culture, progress, infrastructure, science, and on and on and on even just over the course of my own lifetime (ap…

I think there are numerous ways in which Tim Cook's generation has failed the next generation (at least in the US). * Wages are flat, * Housing costs are up (in large part due to NIMBYism), * College is more expensive (in large part due to Cook's generation cutting subsidies that they got), * Environment is shot- that whole global warming thing isn't going away anytime soon. Generally speaking the baby boomers, as a…

Ah we found the true millenial!

Boo hoo you guys haven't given us amazing wage growth in an era where we're all competing with cheap overseas labor so we can buy new homes at 25 plus Apple gadgets and endless media. And we had to pay :'( for our fancy degrees with housing included at elite schools in distant states because community college and nearby colleges aren't good enough for us...and you didn't solve all of the problems that didn't exist before your time (like global warming) and I feel sad sometimes too and I'm overwhelmed by social media....wha wha!!!!

This is the kind of millenial we hate. The arrogant narcissists who can't understand why every measure of happiness hasn't gone up for them.

Well, can you please forgive us? I, and the billions of other people in the past who suffered through wars, famines, plagues, witch hunts, slow progress, feudalism, and every other hardship, are sorry that world perfection didn't converge at the time of your birth and that you might have some hardships and might have to solve some hard problems. Maybe you can achieve perfection for your kids.