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Millennials and Gen Z Increasingly Pessimistic About Their Lives, Survey Finds

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> It's a recipe for disaster when shelter becomes an investment opportunity rather than a basic human need. Why would this being an 'investment' interfere with its pricing anymore than if everyone had lived in these homes as shelter? You don't magically have the privilege of selling 'investments' for more than you bought it. Not trying to be facetious... just genuinely curious? If people are willing to pay that price…

You can only live in one house. You can invest in as many houses as you want.

But why would that change how much someone else is willing to pay for it?

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As a counter point, why should he/she bring another human in this world, fully knowing that the quality of life is going down? And, there are already 7B+ people in this planet, why add more?

As a counter point, why should he/she bring another human in this world Because we don't know that at all? Jesus, what a depressing comment.

> Millennials and Gen Z Increasingly Pessimistic About Their Lives, Survey Finds

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I'm not the OP, and they may be overstating statistics (happy to be shown otherwise). At the same time, wage stagnation is no myth: "From 1973 to 2013, hourly compensation of a typical (production/nonsupervisory) worker rose just 9 percent while productivity increased 74 percent. This breakdown of pay growth has been especially evident in the last decade, affecting both college- and non-college-educated workers as we…

The really weird thing about wage stagnation is that there are millions of jobs going unfilled, companies are so desperate for people that they can't find anyone and are just dumping cash into stock buybacks instead of raising wages. Something is fundamentally broken in the labor market, it is not responding to supply & demand forces as it has in the past. I am not sure what terminology to use to describe what's goin…

Let's say you have a company that makes smashed widgets. So you need to hire widget smashers, but all the good ones want to be paid $20 per widget that they smash. But consumers won't pay more than $5 per smashed widget, so there is no way you can charge enough to pay for that labor.

So yes, you can get the labor you need if you pay enough. But then you won't have a business, because business need to turn a profit (or at least break even).

Now I wonder if the current labor shortage actually resembles this scenario, or if the complaining that corporate execs do is more of an act in order to get cheaper labor when they can still turn a profit with more expensive labor?

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And my life is dependent on exponential consumption and destruction, and I have no agency to stop that. Pretty glad I can order pizza with my watch though! Cavemen would be green with envy at that.

You could buy a cheaper watch, and go get a pizza from a local pizzeria. Everybody has the agency to control their consumption and ethic policies.

I don't know that the artificial monetary value of a watch has any bearing on the impact to the environment it cost to produce it. Or the pizza for that matter.

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> Less than three in ten Millennials expect to stay at their current job for the next five years. Well yeah. I can stick around my current company for 5 years and get a 2-4% increase each year, or job hop every 2-3 years and get a 20% raise each time. With a market like this, why wouldn't you job hop? Loyalty to a company only inhibits you.

It's hard to job hop if you aren't already in an area with lots of hoppable jobs. That really only covers a handful of metros in the U.S., and if your school doesn't draw recruiters from these places it's all the more difficult to get your foot in the door when these companies have mountains of just as qualified local candidates they can pick through. Then if you do get all these interviews you have to not only take…

Pretty sure most well-paying jobs will pay for your airline tickets and hotels to interview. Not sure why you would take a job in a very high COL city that doesn't cover that type of thing, sounds like you're walking right into poverty

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I think happiness is very orthogonal to economic progress. It's a uniquely American myth to believe that GDP growth is a proxy for the happiness of a nation's people. (We export it all over the place).

Social systems which do not provide economic growth have been systematically destroyed over the past few generations. Workers have to be mobile to compete; public spaces have been eroded to favor the privately owned; placement into employment has shifted from personal connection to faceless, autonomous, nationwide filtering; geography of public spaces favors the individual over the group (again, to eliminate sharing of resources); media and culture is far more national or even global, rather than local; religion and all of its communal benefits (and downsides!) is waning...

Some of these systems benefit social cohesion and happiness a lot. Often at the expense of individual liberty, that's why it's easy for Americans to rationalize shedding them.

I don't think it's a grand conspiracy, but it seems obvious to me that this cultural shift is occurring because of the dominance of economic life over all other forms. Unfortunately, economic growth is power, and therefore once one party has it, everyone else must shift to compete. We are seeing this reorganization at every scale, from the individual, to the corporate, to the national, up to the global scale. It isn't even close to being over.

I think millenials/genZ realize that our culture is missing something, but they can't quite articulate what it is. This is because the entire discussion folds into this worldview. Look at how many of us are discussing the price of this or the price of that in this thread!

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Social media's ills, rising wealth and income inequality, rising sea levels, mass extinction event, crumbling roads, shit wages, corruption in government and industry, governments overwhelmingly filled with representatives of other generations with different priorities...there is a huge list of reasons to be pessimistic and they are constantly thrown in our faces online.

I think the fundamental component is house prices. Our ancestors had much cheaper housing as a multiple of the median wage, and could mostly afford to buy based on the paid labor of the father alone. Those same ancestors are still sticking around, living in those houses, and demanding tribute in the form of medicare and welfare payments (2/3rds of the federal budget). I'm only saying this to spark and extend discussi…

> I'm only saying this to spark and extend discussion

Another term for this is 'trolling'.

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changing jobs has ~0 risk. i can (and have) spent time job hunting while fulfilling my responsibilities to my employer. then i use the offer as leverage to get a raise and switch jobs if my current employer declines.

What are your odds your current employer will offer you a raise in response to an external offer? I know it's only business -- but doesn't damage working relationship with your manager if you were to get an external offer, then take a pay raise, instead of leaving? It'd make you appear as a flight risk.

communication is key. they should be aware of the market rate for their employees and adjust compensation accordingly, but i try to be very clear from the get go that i'm in it for the money and how i define my relationship with their organization. i also tend to decline non-monetary perks to drive it home that i am motivated primarily by compensation.

Re: Millennials and Gen Z Increasingly Pessimistic About Their Lives, Survey Finds

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My wife and I are not having kids. If you could sum it up into one short explanation as to why: My wife and I don't believe that the future is going to be a better place. Chief among the reasons are wealth inequality and buying power. If I can barely afford to buy a house now with a great job, I shudder to think what my kids would be faced with.

I don't think the future is going to be a better place either, but I don't buy for an instant that it's a good reason for you to not have kids, or the actual reason you don't have any. Firstly, life is pointless and meaningless without children, or as a fallback without taking care of others. And secondly, why should you, who are aware of this, be the ones ending up not reproducing, essentially mimicking the storylin…

> life is pointless and meaningless without children

This view won't be well received on a forum with a lot of millennials and Gen-z, but as a millennial myself (late 30s, though) without kids, I would actually agree with you to an extent.

I've already lived and travelled the world. I've volunteered a bit. I've worked and saved money and can afford what I want. And none of these things really do matter the older I get. And I notice that amongst my friends, those with kids, seem to go through life with more of a purpose than us without any kids or even long term partners.

Life seems kind of pointless with or without kids to me, but I think that kids give individuals something to occupy their time, and without that time sink, life becomes boring.

Nonetheless - and this won't go over well - I would like kids and a family - but I've already seen several male friends and relatives utterly destroyed by the US family courts / divorce initiated by their wives, and I'd rather be bored but financially and emotionally 'safe' than completely ruined.

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