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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by bubblethink »

cududa wrote: post #411
bubblethink wrote: post #366

This has a few interesting potential repercussions that nobody is talking about. Since this is a lose-lose situation for both, here are a some possible outcomes: a) Google moves enough play services code into AOSP to make AOSP more functional than it is now. b) Webapps become more of a thing c) Play services become "downloadable" when you visit google.com d) Play services become standardised and/or federated

All of these scenarios assume Google actively wants to help Huawei succeed.

Well, it's as much about helping themselves. Huawei is a pretty large android manufacturer globally. It's a tradeoff between play services moat v/s higher adoption at reduced lock-in.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by Marsymars »

bracobama wrote: post #467
aristophenes wrote: post #158

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That would be reasonable, but China has had such an advantage for so long that just getting them to a level playing field will appear to be a devastating loss. This has been furthered by how the situation has been portrayed in the media in both China and the US and around the world, with the US as the aggressor. I believe this has caused the Chinese government to miscalculate, thinking the US will lose support and ba…

In regards to your last point about being patient, both the US and China know that waiting an additional 20-30 years will be at the detriment of China as they cannot compete with US population replacement levels. Compare the following graphs: US projected population: https://i.imgur.com/0UN8eNy.jpg , China projected population: https://i.imgur.com/yDsLnnb.jpg .

Per those graphs, China will still have double the working-age population of the US by 2100.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by morpheuskafka »

askvictor wrote: post #306
morpheuskafka wrote: post #280

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Not if that app depends on Google Play Services, which most developers targeting "Android" take for granted.

Perhaps Huawei will assist in the development of microg ( https://microg.org/ ) - a free (as in freedom) drop-in replacement for Google Play Services.

There's going to need to be a mechanism for in-app purchases and a substitute for SafetyNet as well.

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Post by mantas »

gecho wrote: post #423
mantas wrote: post #421

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Would you prefer daily life like in US or China?

lol you watched too many hollywood movies growing up that you can't imagine daily life an another country being as good or better than living in America you silly goose

I'll take cleaner air and no social score thankyouverymuch.

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Post by kgabis »

mantas wrote: post #421
glenndebacker wrote: post #415

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You can easily find examples where you can replace China with the US. And now with the current American leadership I can't say personally that I trust the US more than China at this point.

Would you prefer daily life like in US or China?

I haven't been to US, but all my friends that visited it were quite disappointed with quality of life there (coming from Poland). But I've recently spent a few weeks in China and I'm really impressed with how advanced it is in terms of infrastructure and technology, I don't think US or even EU is anywhere near where China is right now. So it's not as simple a comparison as it first appears.

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Post by hollerith »

kgabis wrote: post #475
mantas wrote: post #421

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Would you prefer daily life like in US or China?

I haven't been to US, but all my friends that visited it were quite disappointed with quality of life there (coming from Poland). But I've recently spent a few weeks in China and I'm really impressed with how advanced it is in terms of infrastructure and technology, I don't think US or even EU is anywhere near where China is right now. So it's not as simple a comparison as it first appears.

My guess is that during your visit you never left the Tier 1 cities of Shenzhen, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Beijing.

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Post by drusepth »

Tsubasachan wrote: post #356
ghobs91 wrote: post #240

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It appears they're only losing access to American hardware and software. So that would mean Android, Gorilla Glass screens, Qualcomm processors, etc.

This could actually be a boon for China. Now they have to start developing their phones completely in-house. On the longer term that could be the end for American tech. If one thing the last 50 years has taught us is that whatever the US can do an Asian competitor can do as well.

>If one thing the last 50 years has taught us is that whatever the US can do an Asian competitor can do as well.

Generalized, I think it's safe to assume any developed country willing to invest in manufacturing is capable of doing what any other country can do [in manufacturing] as well.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by drusepth »

wallmountedtv wrote: post #44
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #25

Huawei already saw this coming; at least that's what the company signaled last march when they announced they have a 'backup OS': https://www.engadget.com/amp/2019/03/14/huawei-confirms-os/

A better source thats not google amp https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3001685/huawei-co...

OT: What's wrong with AMP?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by kgabis »

hollerith wrote: post #476
kgabis wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't been to US, but all my friends that visited it were quite disappointed with quality of life there (coming from Poland). But I've recently spent a few weeks in China and I'm really impressed with how advanced it is in terms of infrastructure and technology, I don't think US or even EU is anywhere near where China is right now. So it's not as simple a comparison as it first appears.

My guess is that during your visit you never left the Tier 1 cities of Shenzhen, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Beijing.

Your guess is wrong, other than big cities (Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu and Xi'an) I've also visited smaller cities (under 100K) and villages in central China.

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Post by dsl »

windexh8er wrote: post #445
dsl wrote: post #386

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No, not at all. It was an extension of lawful wiretaps in to the digital age. CALEA required that manufacturers add the ability for lawful intercept to be done on their equipment by the providers that purchased them. Law enforcement still had to go to a judge, get a court order, and take it to the ISP. The ISP could then configure the devices to siphon off traffic from a single customer to a collection device. The sa…

While your statement on CALEA is true it also isn't the correct history. What CALEA put in place was designed for lawful intercept but we also know there were programs in use going against said law [0]. Remember the context of my conversation was 2010-2011 which was pre-Snowden. It's likely state, local and national agencies have less of an interest, today, at route/switch infrastructure simply because of the post-Sn…

PRISM was a confusing program because neither the people reporting on it, or the tech companies impacted understood how it worked. The claim was the NSA had direct access in to providers networks, and the companies claimed they did not - the "logical" conclusion was an abuse of CALEA or similar access granted to FBI.

It was later discovered the NSA capability was the direct result of tapping fiber optic cables between international data centers, nothing to do with lawful intercept capabilities.

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