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Millennials and Gen Z Increasingly Pessimistic About Their Lives, Survey Finds

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Re: Millennials and Gen Z Increasingly Pessimistic About Their Lives, Survey Finds

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We all know the cliches - that millennials are lazy, entitled etc.

Whether true or not (there is definitely some degree of truth in any cliche), one thing is for sure - they didn't vote and as a result we have Trump and Brexit, and all the whining and moaning on social media, which is also what they excel at, isn't going to do squat.

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A single mother working as a waitress at Denny's in the 1980's had more spending power than a college educated cubicle drone in 2019; Let's talk about how is social media's fault! Twice in the last 20 years - more than any other time in US history combined - The Presidential election went to the candidate that LOST the popular vote; These generations just lack a proper understanding of civics! The beatings will conti…

This "losing the popular vote" narrative would be a lot more compelling (at least to me) if the elections were less close. It looks bad to win the Presidency and lose the popular vote, but I don't think it actually matters. In a nation of 300 something million, close enough to half want either candidate. The problems lie elsewhere. (The fact that I can say "either candidate" is part of it.) [Edit: I should have said…

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Re: Millennials and Gen Z Increasingly Pessimistic About Their Lives, Survey Finds

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I’ve been fortunate to have landed in a financial position where I’m not scraping by as a millennial but having worked for several years in SF tech one thing that I have felt increasing unease with is the feeling that the companies I’ve worked for might not actually be a net positive for the world. My problem is more existential than economic, which is very much a first world problem but a problem for me nonetheless.

Our minds aren't really that special as engineers, we were typically shown a path to engineering from our parents or environment that lead us here. It was a real privilege to receive that pathway. That isn't so say there wasn't hard work, but the path provided ample motivation. Not so for many of our contemporaries who have the same very capable bundles of neurons in their brains but no pathway to elicit motivation to do the things we do.

There are dozens of homeless people who live in encampments right outside my window. I hate this place sometimes.

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#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the future is going to be a better place either, but I don't buy for an instant that it's a good reason for you to not have kids, or the actual reason you don't have any. Firstly, life is pointless and meaningless without children, or as a fallback without taking care of others. And secondly, why should you, who are aware of this, be the ones ending up not reproducing, essentially mimicking the storylin…

As a counter point, why should he/she bring another human in this world, fully knowing that the quality of life is going down? And, there are already 7B+ people in this planet, why add more?

A less-good-than-it-would-have-been-30-years-ago life can still be a good life, easily.

Would you rather be born in the year 2050 or never exist at all?

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I think this is predominantly due to these generations feeling the affects of social media. They are the guinea pigs of a world wide experiment. They’re the first generation that is constantly barraged with photos that lead them to fomo and unrealistic expectations. I would argue this is a greater factor in producing pessimests than a downturned economy or bearing the burden of the boomers mistakes (climate change et…

It's not about 'unrealistic expectations', we're just hyper-aware of how bad the world is, that does something to you when you're exposed to it from childhood.

Related to this; is not that the world is that bad (even tho it really is in bad shape), the thing is that the massive hyper-load of information is only growing and know we instantly know more about the shit that is happening worldwide when decades ago it would take even days for you to know about the war on the other side of the globe.

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I'm surprised that half of people would believe businesses are making a positive impact on the world.

Unless you live in North Korea (and perhaps even there), everything that your life depends on is brought by businesses.

I see this canned response all the time. But it's a gross oversimplification of the issue designed to keep the ignorant happy.

The cheap things from china, all your amazon crap, your iPhones and all the rest of the so called "nice things" of today's society are only gained through (near) slavery conditions elsewhere.

This delayed effect on how bad things are that is now reaching rich countries like the US, but it has been around on every other "developing" nation in the world for a long time.

I don't think we're talking about the local grocer. We're talking about multi-billion corps that can do anything. Banks that are literally "too big to fail". Industries that control entire sections of governments.

This is the endgame of capitalism and nobody ever wants to face. It's an unsustainable system that will likely end in a dystopian-like world with mega corporations controlling everything and everyone (even your salary through UBI). The theory that corporations get too big then break down resetting the cycle no longer applies because the technology evolved.

I mean, the sole purpose of a business is to generate profit.

It's not to improve human kind, to cure diseases, end the world hunger or make everyone's lives better. It was always, and always will be, in the name of profit. When we realize that profit is literally ripping people off from their work, maybe some might change their views.

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#157

Millenial here, and I just don't understand why my generation is so pessimistic. Things are simply better than when we were children. Perhaps it's having immigrants for parents, but my life just seems great compared to my parents and my aunts and uncles.

LOL. Even this comment reflects part of the generation. Probably you are writing this from a first world country. The selfish gene makes people blind.

The article makes the point that first world gen-z’s and millenials are less satisfied than those in the developing world.

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#158
Gen X, having already been born at maximum pessimism, had no room for improvement.

I actually felt my needle jump off the pin for a moment on reading the headline, because it means that the Millennials aren't as stupid as the Boomers have been saying all along.

Now excuse me as I try and fail to revive the fashion and pop trends of the 1990s--a time when my purchasing power and disposable income was slightly higher than it is now, and I hadn't yet shot myself in the kneecap by having doomed Gen Z kids with another doomed Gen X.

Stirring up generational conflict is a distraction, and everyone that is alive today is responsible for what happens on this planet tomorrow... but in proportion to their wealth and influence. If you have been hoarding those for yourself, responsibility for the future is a bit more on you than on me.

Re: Millennials and Gen Z Increasingly Pessimistic About Their Lives, Survey Finds

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A single mother working as a waitress at Denny's in the 1980's had more spending power than a college educated cubicle drone in 2019; Let's talk about how is social media's fault! Twice in the last 20 years - more than any other time in US history combined - The Presidential election went to the candidate that LOST the popular vote; These generations just lack a proper understanding of civics! The beatings will conti…

There have been 4 or 5 (one is a bit ambiguous) elections where the winner lost the popular vote. [0] So no, this isn't more than any other time in US history combined. But more importantly, who cares? They lost the popular vote in an election in which the popular vote didn't count for anything. If the popular vote had counted for something in these elections, you would have gotten a different result. The candidates…

I don't think he was complaining about the election as much as he was saying that the election system which selected the minority over the majority is just one reason people are becoming increasingly pessimistic.

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#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? Does the climate change affect your personal life more than inability to afford reasonable real estate or kid-related expenses off most today's salaries?

Some people are able to look past their own noses and think about other generations and what their descendents' lives might look like. That weighs heavily on some people

It shouldn't weigh so heavily that people give up on their future, never settle down, and never own a home. The article says these generations' primary aspiration was to travel. That is naive and wasteful. It isn't a choice between greed and saving the planet, it is a choice between making responsible financial decisions and having fun. You can make responsible financial decisions while making responsible environmental decisions.
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