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People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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If I love my job, then I'm not being taken advantage of (from my perspective). If I'm being taken advantage of, that is a strong force to get me to hate my job. Whether or not my supervisors think they're taking advantage of me is a different matter, and one that is largely irrelevant to me.

Exactly my thoughts. I would rather be in a job I love and taken advantage of instead of being in a job I hate not being taken advantage of.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Labor is the source of value. The managerial and owner class is paid and gets rich through the surplus of your labor. If your boss stops working, value is still created. If you stop working, everything grinds to a halt. You are being taken advantage of.

Yes Marx, you are right, and that model not only explains everything but it has been successful in modeling the future, public policy and to organize labor.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

This is what the oppressor vs oppressed narrative will get you. A constant state of trying to identify the group that is exploiting another even when such thing does not exist.

This thought is incredibly reductive and dismissive of abuse.

Not all relationships are between oppressor and oppressed, obviously. It does not mean they do not exist. The history of capitalism is especially rife with clear examples of those in power exploiting those lacking it. Power being capital or wealth.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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One of the most difficult challenges for me during my career is establishing boundaries to curb when I am being exploited. I am passionate about writing awesome, powerful software, so I am willing to put in long hours and grind because I genuinely love it. However, it's important to step back now and again and look at your value more objectively from your employer's standpoint, and negotiate compensation, hours, etc…

A metric I've found useful: Is your boss directing what you're working on right now?

Software is a profession, and like any profession it requires that you put in time to practice and expand your skills. Keep what you need to do for work separate from what you want to do to grow.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#47

Labor is the source of value. The managerial and owner class is paid and gets rich through the surplus of your labor. If your boss stops working, value is still created. If you stop working, everything grinds to a halt. You are being taken advantage of.

Do you have any awareness that this is just a framing, not objective truth? Applying a set of labels to match a predetermined story with two dimensional pre set roles.

If an owner closes a company and stops paying any salaries just because he has enough money already, is that good or bad for the wage earner? If the labor has inherent value why does he need a boss/owner in the first place?

Marxist or any other framing devolves to drivel when you use it mindlessly by rote- painting by the numbers won’t create any new art and mouthing platitudes creates no new information.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

You will know you are being taken advantage of when your are verbally abused, given unreasonable deadlines and being asked to do jobs far outside your job description.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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There is an EconTalk with a Broadway producer. And he talks about the history of why Broadway unionized but essentially people were so willing to work that producers wouldn’t even pay them.

The fashion industry is much the same today. Models, photographers, hair and make up artists working very hard for free or nearly for free - hoping to make it.

http://www.econtalk.org/mitch-weiss-on-the-business-of-broad...

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