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People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#31
Yeah, I know.

I am loving what I do and my boss knows it. So, he lets me run loose to do whatever I think necessary for the business. In a way, I am taking more responsibilities than he asks for my role. But at the same time, I am also taking advantage of this by learning and applying interesting stuffs to help me advance.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#32
This seems to be regularly happening in "passion" fields like human space flight, or bleeding edge tech spaces like self driving cars, medical technology, etc. For an example, just look at salaries between places like SpaceX, Blue Origin, or Virgin Galactic where total comp for a software engineer is between ~100-140K vs any FAANG company where equivalent experience will pull in upwards of ~200K TC. The disparity is even larger for non-software roles (EE, HDE, ME). I acknowledge that there are more than likely other forces here, but I highly doubt that the labor supply for these specialized skills is higher than that for general software engineering. Perhaps this is a place where unionization could be helpful.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#33
post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

and most of the time... Who cares?

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#34
post #30
post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

If you love your job, you could be getting paid less. Clearly you are taking advantage of your employer. If you hate your job, clearly you've stayed because they are offering more than any place that is better and you're taking advantage of your employer.

I'll have to apologize and return all this money.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#35
post #8

Of course. I long developed that inner rule: whenever i am going to execute any business transaction and know i will not feel guilty as a result, i am going to be taken advantage of and should not do it.

That assumes zero-sum, and one-time transactions. Two parties can have a transaction where both go away happy, neither was taken advantage of, and both would like to do it again. If you push to have a transaction that's to your advantage, you might get one, and you might also make someone less inclined to do business with you again.

Not really! It even pertains to long-term relationship. If you are not hard enough on your clients, they perceive you as cheap labor. And you become cheap labor.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#37
Since nobody is actually reading the article, let me sum it up:

In a survey of regular people (not EvilCorp CEOs), "people consider it more legitimate to make passionate employees leave family to work on a weekend, work unpaid, and handle unrelated tasks that were not in the job description."

"This finding extended to asking for work far beyond the job description, including leaving a day at the park with family and cleaning the office bathroom."

"Participants read about a Ph.D. student’s working relationship with their graduate advisor. Those who read a scenario in which the student was being exploited – verbally abused and given unreasonable deadlines – rated the student as likely to be more passionate than students who weren’t being exploited."

What this study finds is that regular people, you and me, say that exploiting passionate people and mistreating them is OK. That we're so willing to make compensatory justifications of abuse is not a good sign.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#38

Since nobody is actually reading the article, let me sum it up: In a survey of regular people (not EvilCorp CEOs), "people consider it more legitimate to make passionate employees leave family to work on a weekend, work unpaid, and handle unrelated tasks that were not in the job description." "This finding extended to asking for work far beyond the job description, including leaving a day at the park with family and…

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Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#40
post #8

Of course. I long developed that inner rule: whenever i am going to execute any business transaction and know i will not feel guilty as a result, i am going to be taken advantage of and should not do it.

"Always violate your conscience" does not sound like good advice. Maybe you're working on the assumption that you "feel guilty" about deals that are actually fair?

Besides which, economics is all based on the fact that two parties in a trade can both win because they want different things. Eg, you have a surplus of oranges, I have a surplus of apples. I value my first apple highly (I like apples!) but my ten thousandth apple is nearly worthless to me. I'd happily trade that last apple for a tenth of an orange. And you'd gladly trade your last orange for a tenth of an apple. We trade some of our fruit 1:1 and we both got a deal 10x better than what we'd accept.

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