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Post by rchaud »

mhandley wrote: post #94
dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

Why would Samsung want to team up with Huawei on this? Huawei is a major competitor to Samsung; having Google services available on Samsumg phones and not on Huawei ones is a major competitive win for Samsumg. They must be laughing all the way to the bank right now.

A de-Googled Huawei might actually save Samsung's folding phone line. The Galaxy Fold was a PR disaster, whereas Huawei's Mate X had none of those issues in bloggers' hands.

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Post by rchaud »

ddebernardy wrote: post #65
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #40

This is ominous for Apple as well, being the poster child of American industry. China could retaliate by disrupting Apple's supply chain, but I don't think it will happen as it would put a huge question mark over China as a component supplier for every single industry.

Apple moving its supply chain out of China (and back to the US) is exactly what Trump wants. If only for political reasons and self-interest, there's just no way China would retaliate how you suggest.

If all it took was the threat of tariffs to bring Apple's manufacturing back to the US, I seriously doubt the Trump admin would have been the first to think of it. Apple might move parts of their supply chain to places like Vietnam or India, but definitely not back Stateside.

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Post by product50 »

jsgo wrote: post #135
product50 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung is a top OEM in US unlike Huawei. Also South Korea is a big US ally.

Currently, but the US has already chastised South Korea for not spending enough on its defense as it relates to the US. South Korea capitulated I believe, but there remains the possibility that in South Korea's goal of being on agreeable terms with North Korea, it could have negative ramifications on the US/SK relationship. I don't think it is highly likely it'll play out like that, but if I'm Samsung, I'm either thr…

To suggest that China and South Korea are at the same receiving end of US' wrath tells me how twisted your thinking is.

Also, why don't you spare Samsung your strategy. Both you and they will be better without it.

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Post by luckylion »

sterlind wrote: post #130
luckylion wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing wrong with the goal of advancing ones local industries. Competition is good, but only if it's fair. Are you suggesting it's unfair to have a National Security Agency with the explicit goal of industrial espionage to help domestic companies? Let's not pretend that the US doesn't do that, please.

I always assumed the NSA only did industrial espionage for the defense sector.. but it would make sense for them to steal e.g. foundry processes to hand to Intel. How's the hand-off work? How do they keep the (Chinese-American) engineers from realizing where the ideas come from? It makes strategic sense to do industrial espionage but there's so many ways it can go wrong.

I don't know how they'd proceed after exfil, but I'm sure we can come up with lots of interesting ways to hide the origin of tech/IP.

Snowden mentioned more on NSA industrial espionage in an interview with German state-owned TV, but they didn't provide a lot of details. There was also quite a bit on NSA operations spying on all French companies that are active in IT/telecommunications, energy/power, natural resources, logistics, health care/biotech etc, so pretty much anything but how to make baguettes.

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Post by jsgo »

product50 wrote: post #144
jsgo wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently, but the US has already chastised South Korea for not spending enough on its defense as it relates to the US. South Korea capitulated I believe, but there remains the possibility that in South Korea's goal of being on agreeable terms with North Korea, it could have negative ramifications on the US/SK relationship. I don't think it is highly likely it'll play out like that, but if I'm Samsung, I'm either thr…

To suggest that China and South Korea are at the same receiving end of US' wrath tells me how twisted your thinking is. Also, why don't you spare Samsung your strategy. Both you and they will be better without it.

you're taking that to an oddly personal level.

Obviously, the views of China vs SK are different in the US right now. Who is to say what the future holds if South Korea tries to make stronger ties with North Korea (considering NK blames the US for their current stalemate)? I'd argue that Samsung probably wants to have a contingency for things that are outside of their control, but yeah, out of wack thinking.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

jsgo wrote: post #146
product50 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To suggest that China and South Korea are at the same receiving end of US' wrath tells me how twisted your thinking is. Also, why don't you spare Samsung your strategy. Both you and they will be better without it.

you're taking that to an oddly personal level. Obviously, the views of China vs SK are different in the US right now. Who is to say what the future holds if South Korea tries to make stronger ties with North Korea (considering NK blames the US for their current stalemate)? I'd argue that Samsung probably wants to have a contingency for things that are outside of their control, but yeah, out of wack thinking.

China does seem uniquely positioned to give SK what they want re: NK..

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Post by tekkk »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #126
tekkk wrote: post #113

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Perhaps so, and as my emotional input I'd still rather have a bad-democracy ruling over the world as supposed to a totalitarian state. Actually I even prefer China losing influence on global scale, what do you have to say about that? Yet I still don't resort to over-extrapolation or forming my opinions based on how I feel about the subject. My personal values do have a play on how I view the world, but I try to be as…

Childish? Mobs of people regarding politics? You don't say. I mean, would you say the US body politic has been acting particularly adult lately? Trump has painted himself into a corner with all the trade war stuff, the only move he knows is escalation, and this is obviously a dumb idea. Chinese companies are big enough to fork Android, and now they're supremely motivated even if this were reversed tomorrow. One more…

Can't argue with that, but I felt the original author I replied to took it way too personally. US politics is a joke of a democracy and more so now that they have elected a true buffoon as their president. I would argue as a nation, Trump was one of the worst options they could have picked, but since they have long since descended into tribality and unsound rhetoric I guess that's their equilibrium (with Russian aid or not).

While I think the original idea of fighting Chinese influence is a relevant point and much in the US's interest, it seems a little rash and foolish to extend that animosity on Huawei's ability to use Google Android. Like, seriously. If they are not using Android, they'll be using something else which will, with high probably, be not American. Oh well, not my headache.

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Post by craftyguy »

dagaci wrote: post #92
gcatalfamo wrote: post #57

Warning: Personal opinion, so treat it as such. Regardless of this being mandated or not, they are sacking the best Android flagship representative thus leaving the market open to others. Huawei is huge outside US and their latest phones are a better purchase than Samsung, more performant but most importantly they age slower which is a critical thing for an Android device.

This has been mandated by a US government decree. The US president has declared a "National Emergency" which gives him this kind of power. They have placed Huawei and 70 linked partners on a trade blacklist saying Huawei is a danger to national security. So it is now effectively an offense for US companies to trade with Huawei directly or indirectly. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3010403/us-commerce-... I h…

> The US president has declared a "National Emergency" which gives him this kind of power.

When everything is a 'national emergency', nothing is.

> I hope it leads to competition, but i doubt that will happen any time soon.

Are you living under a rock? There is already a LOT of competition in the US smartphone market (both domestic and foreign brands) and now, with this new 'national emergency,' there is less competition in the US. Mission accomplished?

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Post by ehmish »

generic_user wrote: post #112
gonvaled wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has pretty much withdrawn from all international organizations (or is simply ignoring them, see WTO). The US is not abiding by any international order. The US is economically terrorizing the world by aggressively pushing the dominance of the US dollar. It has (successfully, to date) prevented the Iranian Oil Bourse (in €, 2008). It interferes in the sovereignty of nations: for example, it has enforced the Iran…

> The world trade order is tilted in favor of the US, as are IP rules (favoring the incumbent power, with a head start of several decades). This is not a US only issue. the only incentive to create IP whether its scientific, technology, or the arts is that the creator can monetize there creation through copyright, patents etc. IP is the foundation of growth for this century for the entire industrialized world. I doub…

There are a number of IP rights which have dubious value, century long copyright is one, software patents are another. They do benefit the Americans because they were the first movers in terms of Hollywood and the software industry, but these rights do nothing to advance innovation, yet the United States continues to push them on other countries via trade treaties.
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