60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
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Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#2Ugh. This is predictable in the age of guilty til proven innocent isn't it? When an accusation is enough to tank a career then yes people are going to feel the need to protect themselves by removing any possibility of that happening.
And rather than trying to approach the problem constructively, the article takes a strong tone throughout that puts the blame on men:
> That means the many, many women in this world who are just trying to do their jobs and make progress in their careers are being stymied by men who are terrified of being, I dunno, unable to control themselves while talking to a woman in the conference room.
No. It's not men who are afraid they're unable to control themselves. It's men who are afraid they'll be falsely accused and won't be able to defend themselves.
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#3Ugh. This is predictable in the age of guilty til proven innocent isn't it? When an accusation is enough to tank a career then yes people are going to feel the need to protect themselves by removing any possibility of that happening. And rather than trying to approach the problem constructively, the article takes a strong tone throughout that puts the blame on men: > That means the many, many women in this world who…
An unsubstantiated accusation is not enough to tank a career.
A cross-correlated one, from multiple independent reports is another story. As is one that stands up to cross-examination and scrutiny.
Reporting harassment by your manager is just as likely, if not moreso to shit on your career, as it is on theirs. They have all the power in this relationship, and every opportunity to retaliate if you aren't believed.
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#4this is absurd. these people are reactionaries. they should know that false accusations almost never happen and if they act in good faith they'll be fine. instead they're going to professionally penalize women. classic.
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#5Ugh. This is predictable in the age of guilty til proven innocent isn't it? When an accusation is enough to tank a career then yes people are going to feel the need to protect themselves by removing any possibility of that happening. And rather than trying to approach the problem constructively, the article takes a strong tone throughout that puts the blame on men: > That means the many, many women in this world who…
An unsubstantiated accusation is not enough to tank a career. A cross-correlated one, from multiple independent reports is another story. As is one that stands up to cross-examination and scrutiny. Reporting harassment by your manager is just as likely, if not moreso to shit on your career, as it is on theirs. They have all the power in this relationship, and every opportunity to retaliate if you aren't believed.
I've seen it, a life ruined because of it
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#6Complicated to be around a group of people that has so strong opinions about what it is to be a "real man", and that they think they deserve so more money and respect than the market (and the consumer) is willing to pay.
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#7>The dynamic basically foists the burden of making men feel comfortable on to women
To be fair, it puts an increased burden on both parties. Any situation in which people cannot even socialize comfortably is not ideal for productive work.
It's obvious that there is sexual tension between individuals at work sometimes. Given that relationships at work are fairly taboo even assuming both parties are interested, there are not obvious pathways to resolve this without risking your career. Anytime I've ever had any interest in a coworker, the main thought I've had in my mind has usually been to try not to even THINK about getting involved. But, work is just work. Gotta get paid. if I were to to prioritize my actions on my terminal values, what I really want in life, notwithstanding the risk described above, I would try to pursue these relationships.
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#8Why bother? There is zero upside and infinite downside.
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#9This is a case for more women managers.
Re: 60% of male managers are “uncomfortable” working around women
#10Why bother? There is zero upside and infinite downside.
Why bother doing your job? The job that... consists of managing your reports.