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Silly Twitter fight aside, the key piece of advice that us regular non-rich folk should take away is this: "Your first goal after university should be to build yourself a safety net." Once you have $10k in the bank, you can start taking risks just like those privileged kids that are starting all the startups with their unfair advantages. Best of all for us, we work in software, where socking away your first ten thous…

$10k is hardly a safety net.

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post #108

Pretty disappointed in PG's response: "I would ordinarily just let your bullshit go, but this myth that you have to be a rich kid to start a startup is terribly dangerous, because it discourages people who aren't from trying it. Brian Chesky's parents were social workers. That is not a rich kid." As if having two parents with stable jobs isn't considered a safety net. I agree, you don't need to be rich, but I also ag…

Paul said you don't have to be rich. Matthew responded as if he'd said that it's not beneficial to have a safety net. That's putting a statement in to his mouth that he did not make. Anything more than a "fuck off" from PG was charitable.

Having a safety net is what people mean when they say you have to be rich to found a startup. If you have a place you can always go if things go south, then you are "rich", even if you personally struggle to pay rent on a regular basis.

I was poor in college like a lot of people, but I had a stable family I could rely on. I knew people who didn't have that, and they had to make very different decisions than I did. I didn't have much money in my bank account, but I was rich compared to many of my peers. No matter how badly things went for me, there was no scenario that would have left me homeless or hungry.

If PG's only point is "you don't literally need a six-figure salary to found a startup" then he's arguing against a strawman.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

#223

Silly Twitter fight aside, the key piece of advice that us regular non-rich folk should take away is this: "Your first goal after university should be to build yourself a safety net." Once you have $10k in the bank, you can start taking risks just like those privileged kids that are starting all the startups with their unfair advantages. Best of all for us, we work in software, where socking away your first ten thous…

Make that $100k+. It sounds like a lot, but it's a maximum of 2 years savings for someone on a low risk, high pay track. It's not the end of the world to be 2 years "behind".

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#225

Silly Twitter fight aside, the key piece of advice that us regular non-rich folk should take away is this: "Your first goal after university should be to build yourself a safety net." Once you have $10k in the bank, you can start taking risks just like those privileged kids that are starting all the startups with their unfair advantages. Best of all for us, we work in software, where socking away your first ten thous…

In the United States, people who don't have significant financial support from their parents graduate from university with a great deal of debt.

Indeed. But those are the same people getting those $150k entry-level salaries from companies in the Bay Area.

Even after paying down $50k/year in debt one would be hard pressed to spend the rest of that without saving anything.

You spend your college years sharing a house with 5 roommates, driving an $800 car and living on Costco pallets of canned chili. Keep that up for another few years after school while pulling down a dev salary and you'll be out of debt reasonably fast.

Sadly, most people don't do that, and match their choice of new apartment and new car to exactly equal their new income. That's a shame, but it's also why I gave the advice I did above.

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Everyone from my country (NL) has a safety net to start with (you can screw up but still) and that goes for many EU countries anyway and yet all the entrepreneurs I know from NL are extremely risk averse compared to the US ones. Most of my NL friends are entrepreneurs but more of the lifestyle kind than even wanting to become the #1 in their field with the monetary status that comes with it. I dare to say that I only…

I wonder too.

One idea I have: In these countries you don't really need that much more because you're already cushioned against risk. You also don't need to provide a cushion to anyone around you (since everyone's taxes are already doing that). Which means, below you is not the gaping abyss but a shrub that is a little bit thorny.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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post #37

They're talking past each other. Thing is, they're both right. Paul seems to be saying you don't have to be rich to do a startup. Matthew is saying lots of founder have some resources (family home, savings, great education, i.e. middle-class) that made doing a startup feasible Both these positions are true and aren't incompatible. Being middle class (Matthew's position) and prudent with savings can afford you probabl…

"You literally need six figures in your bank account to do a startup" isn't a thing that people actually argue. Paul might be technically correct but he's arguing against a strawman. In this context, rich is a shorthand for financial privilege, which doesn't tend to come in the form of dollars in your bank account when you're young.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

#228

Silly Twitter fight aside, the key piece of advice that us regular non-rich folk should take away is this: "Your first goal after university should be to build yourself a safety net." Once you have $10k in the bank, you can start taking risks just like those privileged kids that are starting all the startups with their unfair advantages. Best of all for us, we work in software, where socking away your first ten thous…

$10k is hardly a safety net.

if you're living in a tent eating rice and beans and getting your wifi from google fi 10k will last a very long time. I'm not being facetious, a friend went this route.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

#229

Silly Twitter fight aside, the key piece of advice that us regular non-rich folk should take away is this: "Your first goal after university should be to build yourself a safety net." Once you have $10k in the bank, you can start taking risks just like those privileged kids that are starting all the startups with their unfair advantages. Best of all for us, we work in software, where socking away your first ten thous…

$10k is hardly a safety net.

Yeah I was going to say 10k is a trip to ER after a small accident.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

#230

Silly Twitter fight aside, the key piece of advice that us regular non-rich folk should take away is this: "Your first goal after university should be to build yourself a safety net." Once you have $10k in the bank, you can start taking risks just like those privileged kids that are starting all the startups with their unfair advantages. Best of all for us, we work in software, where socking away your first ten thous…

$10k is hardly a safety net.

Depends where you live? Hard to say what diff people in diff situations and in diff places need and/or consider a safety net.
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