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Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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post #63

I like to think Swedens extensive social safety nets are a factor to the large number of startups here.

How does this large number compare to the US? Genuinely interested. Having lived in a few EU countries before moving to the US, I've always been under the impression that creating a startup in the US was way easier/more common.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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Most people, even poor people, have parents who would help them out in case of need. They seem to be discussing a pretty low bar here. And of course it is a "privilege" to have supporting parents. So what? If you don't have that privilege, what are you supposed to do? Kill yourself? I think such privilege discussions are rather silly. What's the point? That people should be showered with tax payer money to even out t…

I'd suggest you think more deeply.

All parent, regardless of class/richness want to be supportive. the question is what support can they offer? Sure, a sofa, most people have that. But thats not a long term solution. What if your parents don't have any savings, how will they help you with that debt?

They can't

Its not an issue of will, its an issue of possibility.

Now, I intensely dislike the use of "privilege", as its more often than not tool to stop discourse. But, to assume that every parent is _capable_ of providing long term accommodation, financial, transport or other support is shore sighted at best.

I suggest perhaps you might want to expand your social circle, so you can see this sort of thing first hand.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Betting is a reasonable choice when you, like a VC can bet on a ton of options and still have cash left for immediate problems. All other times, betting is playing your luck and bound to fail.

First, I don't want to read to much into the OP regarding betting. Because there is something to it. Without risks no rewards. Yet what constitutes a risk and a reward differ significantly based on your resources. That being said, risking some of your resources, money, time, whatever, to get out of poverty is reasonable. Betting on a start-up might not be. Simply because if it goes wrong instead of rewards there migh…

When you're in poverty, getting out of poverty is about risking, but not in a lottery kind of way you're talking about. It's about risking to get away with not spending the money on some immediate emergency and holding it for some bigger emergency in the future.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In which direction is causality flowing here, and how do you justify it? We didn't choose our brains No, but our privileged parents did contribute to them, and their our upbringing, early months, lack of childhood stress over things as food and war, familial support, good schools, and so on. Brains is hardly the best contributor to entrepreneurial success. In fact a plot of IQ vs success I've seen plotted looked li…

Induction gets you nowhere though: where did our privileged parents get their brains from? You're proving my point here: we inherit roughly 50% of our traits through our parent's genes. I never claimed IQ was the best measure (surprised it looked like random noise though), but certainly our cognitive traits matter . So to my question: How do you distinguish that privilege from the privilege you got from your "class"?…

Where do the other 50% of our genes come from?

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

#136
post #14

A poor person betting everything on their startup is definitely good for pg - it increases the pool of people whose work he can profit from. It's not that obvious if it's good for the poor person. I guess that everybody has their own risk aversion threshold.

It is probably not actually good for PG, because the majority of such people will fail and end up destitute, casting bad publicity (rightly or wrongly, doesn’t matter) on whatever start-up churner generated that outcome. Additionally, founders who already come from wealth or have political connections, etc., are probably much more likely to succees in the financial senses that PG wants. The only limited sense in whic…

Not many people care about startup failures, except high profile ones.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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post #108

Pretty disappointed in PG's response: "I would ordinarily just let your bullshit go, but this myth that you have to be a rich kid to start a startup is terribly dangerous, because it discourages people who aren't from trying it. Brian Chesky's parents were social workers. That is not a rich kid." As if having two parents with stable jobs isn't considered a safety net. I agree, you don't need to be rich, but I also ag…

Paul said you don't have to be rich. Matthew responded as if he'd said that it's not beneficial to have a safety net. That's putting a statement in to his mouth that he did not make.

Anything more than a "fuck off" from PG was charitable.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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post #31
post #14

A poor person betting everything on their startup is definitely good for pg - it increases the pool of people whose work he can profit from. It's not that obvious if it's good for the poor person. I guess that everybody has their own risk aversion threshold.

A poor person not betting on anything is bound to stay poor. Your point is?

> A poor person not betting on anything is bound to stay poor. Your point is?

And the poor know this. And yet, they still have literally everything to lose if they fail. They don't want to be poor, but being poor is better than being with absolutely nothing.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only data I can get is this: https://www.kauffman.org/what-we-do/research/2009/04/educati... 93% had a degree, with 30% having a masters, That would suggest to me that you'd need a decent wedge of cash. Now, what is interesting, is that in 2016 at least, the US created gross 960k new companies (there is some smoothing here, so +- 100k) The UK created 460k. Seeing as how the UK is 60 million, versus 300 million pe…

Registering a company in the UK, and keeping it running, is both simpler and cheaper than in the US. Registering a company takes a few minutes and costs less than $30. Compulsory annual filing costs less than $20. If your company's revenue is below some threshold, you don't need to register for VAT (similar to sales tax). And there's another (even higher) threshold below which you can file very simple annual accounts…

Based on those differences I'd wager that a lot more people in the UK would register their side gigs whereas in the US the trade-offs are rarely worth it unless you intend to make it a "legitimate business" at some point.

Re: “It’s hard to take risks if you don’t have a safety net”

#140
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also cheap and trivial to form a UK company with bank account - no matter whether UK citizen/resident or not.

Filing for a company was trivial when I did it, but not many banks would give it an account (NatWest/Barclays/etc wouldn't). Has this changed?

There are quite a few non-legacy bank accounts that you can apply for a company account with in a very painless manner. Monzo, Starling and Tide spring to mind. I use Monzo as part of their business banking trial, but I previously have used Tide and (unfortunately) RBS.
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