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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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I don’t support the decision to ban android for Huawei but ... how many companies in China been kicked from their market including Google , Facebook etc . Most of Chinese still saying that was right decision, so what’s wrong with kicking out one company due to espionage. No issues with let’s say one plus which is more popular in US and still Chinese.

>how many companies in China been kicked from their market including Google

For the record, Google voluntarily withdrew from China as a form of moral protest (it didn't want to help the government censor/spy on its citizens). It wasn't just banned as a means of protecting local companies, since Bing isn't banned, nor for that matter is Azure or Outlook/Hotmail.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Money talk, bs walks. Of course "Play store will continue to work". To use the Sex Pistols lyrics: God save the queen, 'Cause tourists are money , And our figurehead, Is not what she seems. Huawai may be 'evil' (or any other justification) but the money of the millions of Huawei phone owners are more than welcome. System update is a money-losing function. You get people to work and collaborate with vendors, but this…

What is your point?

That everyone is corrupt when money is involved - even if 'national security' is waived around.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

#83

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It‘s not like it was their choice to make. Intel, Qualcomm, etc. are doing the same. The US and Chinese government are to blame. Edit: Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.

As a European customer I couldn't care less if Martians were to blame... simply put I won't ever put a penny in Google's pocket if they brick my phone.

It's not Google/Intel/Qualcomm's fault.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It‘s not like it was their choice to make. Intel, Qualcomm, etc. are doing the same. The US and Chinese government are to blame. Edit: Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.

> Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore. If that is true, that will be the basis of the biggest class action lawsuit in history, against Microsoft from every single company in Europe now being left vulnerable to attacks. Microsoft knows that, which is why they will do everything in their power to ensure this is never happening.

It's not MS's fault if US govt is not allowing them to push the updates to Huawei devices.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore. If that is true, that will be the basis of the biggest class action lawsuit in history, against Microsoft from every single company in Europe now being left vulnerable to attacks. Microsoft knows that, which is why they will do everything in their power to ensure this is never happening.

It's not MS's fault if US govt is not allowing them to push the updates to Huawei devices.

The thing about Windows updates is that Microsoft will actually have to put effort into obtaining the knowledge about what kind of devices are requesting the updates, since the updates are utterly generic. Also companies can setup their own WSUS servers, which may again serve Huawei laptops. And what is MS to do about that?

In general, Microsoft's mechanism and architecture for OS updates are clearly superior to whatever Android has, since they can be applied blindly and generically across devices and units, with stupid proxies and mirrors in between.

More important than architecture though: Microsoft has fought the US government in the past when they have tried to enforce things Microsoft has disagreed with (like US governemnt blanket access to MS-owned EU datacenters).

I'm pretty sure they'll fight this one too. Their quite significant EU business depends on it.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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> The fundamental issues surrounding China 2025 What are those issues? Why is the goal of advancing your local industries frown upon? Why is the US in the business of telling sovereign countries what they should produce, buy or sell?

> What are those issues? The issue is certainly not that China wants to advance there local industries. The US has spent the last 40 years+ helping china develop its industry and technology. The Issue is that China was obligated to develop reciprocal free trade like the rest of the WTO members. Over the last 20 years they have been moving farther away from that into a state socialist mercantilist expansionist power.…

The US has pretty much withdrawn from all international organizations (or is simply ignoring them, see WTO). The US is not abiding by any international order.

The US is economically terrorizing the world by aggressively pushing the dominance of the US dollar. It has (successfully, to date) prevented the Iranian Oil Bourse (in €, 2008).

It interferes in the sovereignty of nations: for example, it has enforced the Iran embargo (against the will of the EU, which has been powerless to prevent it).

The world trade order is tilted in favor of the US, as are IP rules (favoring the incumbent power, with a head start of several decades), making the rest of the world subservient to the US, and forcing us to finance the life style of a minority of the planet's population (to be correct: to finance the lifestyle of a very small minority of the US population, since lots of Americans are also struggling)

The US has built its industrial and technological supremacy by industrial espionage during the late 19th and early 20th century, from the leading powers of the time (Europe).

The US has engaged in price dumping of agricultural products for ages, by illegally subsidizing farmers.

The US has interfered militarily, politically and economically around the world, often with devastating consequences in terms of life and property, creating power vacuums which have caused catastrophic consequences.

This is going on as we speak. The list is very long too.

I for one support the Chinese in this conflict, if for nothing else, simply for the possibility of putting some restraint on the out-of-control Hegemon.

I understand that US citizens will be siding with the US president on this one, and you may even feel you are being fair here.

You are not, and the rest of the world is pretty much not in agreement with the US.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

I am not sure why Asian Phone companies would do anything. As far as we see, only Chinese companies might want to. Asia is big and includes a lot more countries than China. Other asian countries are in the same bucket as Europe in moving to custom ecosystem.

It said Asian because Samsung is in the same boat, albeit for different reasons (think platform lockout instead of govt pressure). That's why the keep developing Tizen.

I assume that Japanese manufacturers are under a similar threat.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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post #68

I don't know how is it in US, but in Europe recently Huawei is very successful and growing. All big smartphone stores have now special tables with Huawei show-cases, lots of TV Ads.

I was about to say - in Poland Huawei is absolutely huge, I see a lot of people using their devices and having far more prominent stands in electronic shops than Samsung for instance.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a European customer I couldn't care less if Martians were to blame... simply put I won't ever put a penny in Google's pocket if they brick my phone.

It's not Google/Intel/Qualcomm's fault.

His point is that not a single end-user in the world is going to care about that when their $500+ Google-powered device stops working.

Ultimately, this may erode trust in US-based tech companies in general, which for the long game may play into Huawei's advantage if they manage to come up with a viable competing platform.

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