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A Sealed Garden That Was Watered Once in 53 Years (2017)

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Re: A Sealed Garden That Was Watered Once in 53 Years (2017)

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After initial transportation failures, sealed terrariums were used by Robert Fortune to send stolen tea seedlings from China to India,[1] thus helping the British to break the nineteenth Century Chinese monopoly on tea production. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00H9J1AM2/

Funny wording to use "break" for IP theft, it looks different when the British do it compared to when the Chinese do it, doesn't it?

The concept of IP didn't exist back then plus he did say the seeds were stolen.

Re: A Sealed Garden That Was Watered Once in 53 Years (2017)

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If there was a plant that is not green, would it have last as long? Just wondering if the photosynthesis is only exclusive to green plants.

What other plants are there? Photosynthesis is performed in/by chlorophyll which is green, so it's hard to not be green. There is a puprle earth hypothesis and Haloarchaea, which is based on witamin A related molecule for photosythesis, but those are not classified as plants. The current theory for inception of plants is that one cell captured another chlorophyllic one and created symbiotic organism, which later evol…

I've heard it's not easy being green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ-IxZ46ng

Re: A Sealed Garden That Was Watered Once in 53 Years (2017)

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I'm thinking we each make our own little ecosystem, maybe a half an acre would be enough. Maybe make it double walled, just in case, and then say screw it to everyone else as climate change and various other big things occur on the outside.

You might be interested in Biosphere 2 [1], a 3 acre hermetically sealed dome stucture designed to house about 8 people with an ecosystem to provide them with everything they need to survive. They didn't quite get oxygen and food production to the required level, but if you add another acre or so it should work. With renewed interest in moon and mars colonies somebody is bound to revive that line of research. 1: http…

The first experiment was hampered by them not realising the cement needed CO2 to cure, to be honest I would have halted the experiment to find out what the issue was then restarted it. Although they might not have realised this at the time, but then they weren't really testing a proper closed system.

It would have been useful if they were able to test a closed system without the cement sucking up the CO2.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would get too hot in most places, I think. Glass, especially if double walled, stops the heat getting out, but most of the heat from the sun will be able to get in (as infra-red). So you'd need supporting systems (i.e. air conditioning) outside.

AFAIK, at a certain depth below ground-level, the temperature is constant all-year-round. Something like that in two meters the ground is constantly around 14°C or something like that. ...so basically all you'd need to do is just dig a hole, put a bunch of metal pipes inside, seal it all up and run cooling water through and couple it to a closed-loop temperature control and you're done. The idea is from an article fr…

That only works for a limited amount of time though. E.g. the London tube has warmed the rock around it by a very considerable amount.

https://www.citymetric.com/transport/londons-tube-has-been-r...

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I'm thinking we each make our own little ecosystem, maybe a half an acre would be enough. Maybe make it double walled, just in case, and then say screw it to everyone else as climate change and various other big things occur on the outside.

You might be interested in Biosphere 2 [1], a 3 acre hermetically sealed dome stucture designed to house about 8 people with an ecosystem to provide them with everything they need to survive. They didn't quite get oxygen and food production to the required level, but if you add another acre or so it should work. With renewed interest in moon and mars colonies somebody is bound to revive that line of research. 1: http…

If you want similar projects that weren't influenced by Hippy culture to try and emulate a complex system that nobody really understands you should look into the stuff the Soviet Union did. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS-3 is much more interesting imho. Looking into the minimum number of species you need for sustainability and not being afraid of using technology to augment the system is the better way for reaching truly closed systems.

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I wonder if part of what makes it work is luck of the draw wrt. the microbial life that was present at the start. You need stuff that will break down the dead plants at a good enough rate but nothing that competes for resources or produces anything toxic to the plant. Or maybe that's a typical microbial makeup for sample of gardener's compost?

Negative feedback loops?

Re: A Sealed Garden That Was Watered Once in 53 Years (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny wording to use "break" for IP theft, it looks different when the British do it compared to when the Chinese do it, doesn't it?

You can’t steal something that’s not legitimately your property. IP isn’t a justified legal concept, it’s a form of illegitimate regulation used by corporations to cement monopolies and threaten the competition with legistlation

How do tangible property rights differ?
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