Google suspends some business with Huawei • Hacker News Board

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by gonvaled » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:23 AM UTC

roca wrote: post #297

megaremote wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, yes, that is true. But the USA commits war crimes and doesn't want to be brought before court over them. So I should stop using US goods if I gave a shit about human rights, right?

Throwing up your hands and saying "everyone's bad" is just moral laziness. I'm not American and it's obvious China is far worse than the USA in terms of human rights.

Not really if you are not a citizen of said country.

Or to put it in numbers:

- 80% of the world population is not Chinese, and are not affected by China.

- 95% of the world population is not American, and are very much affected by the US.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by darklajid » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:24 AM UTC

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #31

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #30

I can't see any Chinese phone company feeling comfortable with this move. If someone sets up a viable non-US alternative to Android and the Play Store, they could jump ship en masse.

Lineage OS

Huawei phones have locked bootloaders and you can't fet the unlock key from them (there are potentially questionable 3rd party sites selling those, turning this into a market..)

If you do unlock the device and install Lineage OS (which doesn't support more than a few devices), you now basically have a crappy camera app, probably your FreeBuds won't work properly anymore and you really should have bought a different phone.

I love Lineage OS and used it for years (OPO and other phones). It would ruin my P30P though.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by gonvaled » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:29 AM UTC

roca wrote: post #300

luckylion wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that China will throw Google out. It's a bit of a reminder that Google is under US jurisdiction and there's a point to be made that, no matter what they promise you, if the US wants their data, they get their data. More competition can only be good, if this leads to the Chinese creating a third major platform, I welcome it. If they open source it, they may even have success outside of China.

As a non-American I'd much rather the USA has my data than China has it.

Not sure why.

As non-American (and non-Chinese I assume), the Chinese do not care about you, but the Americans very much do.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by Thorrez » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:37 AM UTC

windexh8er wrote: post #274

This isn't surprising. What the US government wants the government gets. I was working for a large ISP in 2010-2011 and we were considering long haul transport gear between Huawei and Infinera. All things being equal Huawei had a better cost/performance value prop. That was, until the FBI came in with a heavy handed opinion. You see at that point in time the best place to siphon data was at large ingress/egress. As I…

>The best place to siphon data in 2019? Your phone.

But can't you reverse engineer your phone and see what it's doing? And can't you monitor the network data it's sending? With a backdoor in long haul transport gear, academics, researchers, random hackers, watchdog groups, journalists, competitors, etc, don't have the ability to monitor for bad behavior.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by mengqing » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:42 AM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #117

techntoke wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American-manufactured devices are probably equally as infiltrated by American foreign intelligence services. Hence why they don't just use a standard Linux distro with open source firmware.

There is no proof of this, but there is tons of proof that China state funds Huawei and has the intent of espionage and IP theft.

There is no proof at all. There are a lot accusations, but US government cannot provide any evidences to back them up.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by fabianhjr » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:43 AM UTC

kpU8efre7r wrote: post #275

fabianhjr wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am against warrantless searches and seizures. (Which PRISM and other 3-letter agencies' programs are notorious of doing)

PRISM use requires a warrant.

From the wikipedia article:

> U.S. government officials have disputed some aspects of the Guardian and Washington Post stories and have defended the program by asserting it cannot be used >>>on domestic targetsI feel way better now, only US citizens get the benefit of warrants and the rest of the world will still get spied on as much as possible. (I am not a US citizen)

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by pishpash » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:43 AM UTC

cyrix100 wrote: post #318

wpdev_63 wrote: post #75

Sad to see as they make some compelling phones with outrageously great prices[0]. I used to think about the privacy problems with buying a chinese phone but this day and age where facebook is selling your data to the highest bidder and the fusion centers crawling all over our cellphone - who cares? I'd rather have the chinese have my data than the US companies/gov't(only because I will never visit their country), tho…

The outrageously great prices comment got me thinking about all the IP theft allegations [0]. I wonder if the relatively lower prices are a reflection of the reduced R&D overhead compared to other companies that would otherwise need to recover that initial investment. [0]: https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-theft-bonus-program-...

So you think Apple is still recouping R&D costs, or just padding their margins for shareholders?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by gonvaled » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:44 AM UTC

roca wrote: post #311

Mikeb85 wrote: post #187

I wonder if this will be the catalyst for foreign companies to stop using US technology. For everything that the US has done to other countries over the years, US tech companies have somewhat maintained their independence. Now that US companies are being compelled to not sell to various Chinese companies, it could be a wake-up call to the rest of the world that US companies are now simply another arm of the US govern…

These rules don't make US companies "another arm of the US government". US companies can (and do!) push back against the US government, through the courts, political parties, and ultimately elections. Chinese companies, on the other hand, have no such recourse against their government.

> These rules don't make US companies "another arm of the US government". US companies can (and do!) push back against the US government, through the courts, political parties, and ultimately elections.

Show me the push back to the following:

- NSA backdooring

- The whole Prisma scandal

- The current trade war with China

And tell me how EU governments benefit from US companies avoiding taxes, and repatriating revenues generated in the European market to the US.

The US is a highly unreliable, politicized provider. The US uses technology to steal data and taxes from other countries. And abuses its position to impose its will.

We can not build our digital infrastructure like this anymore.

I assume EU governments are following this very closely.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by NetOpWibby » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:46 AM UTC

hueving wrote: post #319

NetOpWibby wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not betting on US, pun intended.

Anything to substantiate that? Or do you mean "not betting" in the sense that you have no insight into either side being an obvious winner?

The competency of the current U.S. administration is my substantiation.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by ulfw » Mon, May 20, 2019, 4:47 AM UTC

panabee wrote: post #269

foldingmoney wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bigger issue is that the nature of smart phone releases is that each time you want to bring out a new model, you need to employ a few tens of thousands of people for a relatively short time to assemble them. This isn't possible in most countries due to labour laws and/or shortage of workers.

tesla is starting to automate car manufacturing and seems to be making progress. can you comment on the feasibility on automating smartphone manufacturing? do elements of smartphone manufacturing render automation intractable, or harder than car manufacturing?

Wow. Look at Tesla go!

Why hasn't any other auto manufacturer thought of this?!