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Re: Leaving Google Fi

#71
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This is fraud. As soon as any rep sees the evidence of the fraud and stonewalls they are engaging in a conspiracy to commit fraud. At that point the law should take over. "The policy says I must break the law" is not a defence. "The fraud was opportunistic rather than pre-meditated" is not a defence. You can't break the law because of a company policy, you're a human you have responsibilities. Prosecutions need to ha…

My wife and I left fi for exactly the same reason as the blog post. My wife had a problem with her pixel 2, and she was pretty much without a phone for WEEKS. We absolutely adored fi for years before that. We were huge advocates. After we had such a horrible experience being gaslighted, promised, and let down we just fuck this and went to AT&T. It’s not like we love AT&T. In fact, we don’t. But you know what we can do? We can walk our asses in a store in pretty much any city in the country and leave with a phone.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#72
This reminds me of a similar experience with the Nexus tablet. I'm not sure whether the blame lies with Google or HTC, but it sounds all too familiar with what the author described.

TLDR: because the credit card billing address did not match the shipping address, the customer service representative refused to accept payment for a defective tablet which needed to be repaired. They insisted on mailing the tablet all the way back, and requiring that the tablet be mailed back again with a different shipping address.

https://outlookzen.com/2016/07/24/why-im-never-buying-htc-ag...

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#73
I live in the U.S. and frequently travel internationally. In this capacity, Fi is the best service I've used by far. When I'm in the U.S., my monthly bill is quite inexpensive, too, rarely exceeding $27 (including taxes). No B.S. hotspot fee (or having to jump through hoops to circumvent one). And I use an additional SIM card Google provided free-of-charge with an LTE modem to reverse-tunnel to a low-bandwidth automation server in a remote location. All great stuff.

Unfortunately, my experience with Fi customer service has been no better than Atwood's. Basically, if you can't solve a problem on your own, you're out of luck. To be fair, I've had terrible service with other providers, too (I haven't tried Apple but for technical reasons the iPhone would not work for me).

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#74
post #14

Fi's "killer app" is their seamless international experience for U.S. travelers. I travel outside of the U.S. at least twice a year and firing up my phone on the plane and being greeted with a "welcome X country" like I had just traveled between U.S. states is amazing. Down the list is their relatively cheap service for undemanding users (people who use less than a couple GB of data per month). I'm pretty sure I coul…

> I travel outside of the U.S. at least twice a year and firing up my phone on the plane and being greeted with a "welcome X country" like I had just traveled between U.S. states is amazing.

T-Mobile One accounts get this in 120+ countries, works like a charm. But I've done the math and renting a USB hotspot or buying a 1-month SIM works out to be cheaper for my needs, and I can avoid having to confirm my phone has the correct network support in some countries.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#76
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a friend once described to me, they probably have the legal resources of a small country/nation, so there's that.

This is the danger in the free economy. Without proper regulation, powers concentrate and people have the shirts on their backs sold from them.

The damning thing is that also with "proper regulation", powers concentrate, and people have the shirts on their backs sold to them.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#77
Two stories spring to mind.

The first is I worked at Google when the whole "real names" saga of Google Plus was going on. The worst part about that was if some algorithm decided your name wasn't real, it could block your entire Google account. You'd lose access to GMail, Drive, everything. I don't know what bright spark PMs, lawyers and executives signed off on that one but it was insanity. As a result I would strongly recommend against any family or friends use any G+ features in case the Real Names bot zapped their accounts. This was ultimately fixed but it should never have shipped that way. Ever.

The fact that disputing a charge with you credit card provider like this could result in you losing your GMail, Drive, Android developer account, etc means you should absolutely under no circumstances use that service, ever, period, no exceptions.

Don't get me wrong: I like GMail and Drive. I use them all the time. Thing is, I want to keep using them so they get firewalled from every other service that I use.

The second is something Eric Schmidt said a lot. He didn't say it first but he's well known for saying it, and that is that more revenue is the solution to every problem.

That's both true and not true. It's true in a high margin business (like search). If you look at Google financials 10+ years ago there was a point where the profit per employee was nearly $1m. It's less now but it's still pretty significant. Low margin businesses are not in its DNA.

Let me repeat that and make it clear: Google simply cannot compete in a low margin business.

Personally I learned this the hard way as I worked on Google Fiber until that was quietly shelved (by "advancing our amazing bet" no less). Fiber services are capital intensive. They require strict financial discipline and planning. There are far more moving parts to this kind of business than many people realize. Comcast, Verizon and AT&T have gotten very good at this sort of business. Google didn't (and IMHO never will).

I put Google Fi firmly in this camp. I also put making hardware at scale in this camp (compared to, say, Apple who is second to none when it comes to logistics, procurement, financing and supply chain management).

Google's DNA is hard technical problems at scale with no UI like an almost blank page with a text box and a search button. The infrastructure behind that is unbelievably good.

But telecommunications? Tied to my Google account? Sorry but that's a hard pass for me.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#78
post #54

"At every turn the team was presented with a chance to make things better and every time they blew it." I mean, this is the history of Google in a nutshell. They deserve to be systematically dismantled by Amazon for this alone.

Amazon support has never been anything less than stellar for me. Edit: Someone downvotes my experience? Wut?

Just contact HN support about the downvote.

I kid.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#79
I had similar issues too. Awful customer service, more than a month shipping delay for the Pixel 3, "Google Fi VPN" does not work in China, only the mobile data, is better to buy a SIM over there, Wifi calling didn't work either. Now here in the US, the signal is pretty bad too, sometimes while talking to someone the call just goes silent and the other person can't hear you. My pixel 3 makes a weird noise ( like an insect trapped inside your phone) from time to time. and more... I switched to Verizon a month ago.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#80
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post #14

Fi's "killer app" is their seamless international experience for U.S. travelers. I travel outside of the U.S. at least twice a year and firing up my phone on the plane and being greeted with a "welcome X country" like I had just traveled between U.S. states is amazing. Down the list is their relatively cheap service for undemanding users (people who use less than a couple GB of data per month). I'm pretty sure I coul…

I had good experiences with it while traveling in china. Other people in my group bought local data sims which were 100 times cheaper than the $10/gb that google fi charges but everything they wanted to use (google search, google maps, facebook) were still blocked by the Great Firewall. Google Fi has built in vpn and didn't have that problem.

FWIW, the built-in VPN isn't actually what matters for why the internet is unblocked in China when on a foreign SIM. Instead, the way cellular data networks works is such that your traffic is tunneled back to the provider first.
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