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Post by djmips »

jccalhoun wrote: post #5

Is there any context on this? I've never heard of this guy so I have no idea if his complaint is relevant or not. The fact that he tweeted this out on Sunday and then just a few hours later tweeted "Find it a little bit strange that @TeamYouTube have totally ignored this tweet" makes me suspicious. I've heard of people getting claims from random companies like a South American tv network but these look like they are…

It looks like the outro song he used with permission may have used another song (permission unknown). That song is from 1935 so you'd think it was in the public domain... https://www.whosampled.com/sample/231036/ProleteR-April-Show...

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by GordonS »

ErikAugust wrote: post #199
makecheck wrote: post #186

Why do we have push-button screw-people-over systems at all? If the problem is that there are “too many” things for companies to review manually, too bad! If a company is perfectly fine raking in money from massive sales at a global scale, they should be willing to spend a proportional amount of money to do business at that scale. Let them hire their own people to review content in depth. Let them hire their own goon…

Google borders on insane with lacking any sort of manual support. For example, when you are a paid G Suite customer - you'll need to dig hard to find their support number. Then you'll need to click several buttons making it clear you still need support. You also need to then generate a PIN used to access the phone support.

Similar story with Adwords - if you want support with that, you ain't gonna get it. It's a maze of FAQs and automated email responses with useless information.

If you manage to figure out the incantation to email an actual person, they're some kind of 1st-level support whose purpose in life is to piss you off so much with useless pre-canned responses that you finally give up.

Truely, incredible that they get away with it. Also incredible that they're OK with this given how much profit they make from ads.

By comparison, I've had excellent support from Bing Ads in the past - unfortunately they represent a much smaller number of impressions than Adwords.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by dredmorbius »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #200
dredmorbius wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In English, please?

A person who uses YouTube heavily, who's content many people here will recognise, has a contact inside Google. This Google representative has reportedly said that the group who are recognised as "VIPs" (Very Important Person) by the company specifically excludes people working in a particular field of content production, namely gaming.

Thanks, I didn't parse "MatPat" as a personal name.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by sam0x17 »

eropple wrote: post #174
sam0x17 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this is why I think without massive investment it would have to be a subscription only service.

Sure - and the Internet's userbase has decided that, for the most part, they don't want that. Maybe somebody with a really rocking Patreon could go use Wistia or something - but how do they maintain their fanbase and grow it?

Could potentially be content creators that pay the subscription only. But yeah, something somewhere has got to give. Eventually people are going to be sick enough of ads that they will pay $5/month to remove them.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by dang »

hedora wrote: post #35

In fairness, the franchise or manager (not McDonalds) was at fault there. They had the coffee machine set higher than standard McDonalds temperature, and had they been repeatedly cited by inspectors because it was a safety violation. The burn led to hospitalization.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19954032 and marked it off-topic.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by ryani »

tzs wrote: post #79
luckylion wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the claimant takes you to court and loses, there is no penalty, I assume? There's punitive damages in the US - any chance that would be applied to such a case?

As far as the court case goes, it's basically just like it would be if the complainant had simply sued you directly for copyright infringement. If you win, the court can award you costs and attorney fees. I'm not sure how they decide whether or not to do so. A claimant trying to use DMCA where it is not justifiable faces a couple other deterrents. First, unless the claimant is representing themselves in the case, the…

> Second, knowingly including false information on a DMCA takedown notice is perjury

I've reviewed the DMCA a few times and I am pretty sure this isn't true. It's supposed to be the "teeth" of the DMCA to prevent false claims, but the actual teeth are very blunted.

The requirements a DMCA takedown notice are[1]

1. you have to sign it as someone authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner.

2. you have to identify the work you claim is being infringed.

3. you have to identify the work you want them to take down.

4. you have to give them your contact information.

5. you have to state that you have a "good faith belief" that the content is infringing.

6. Direct quote, and the only use of the word "perjury" in the notification requirements: "A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly in-fringed."

The only thing you must declare under penalty of perjury is that you are authorized to act for the copyright owner. The only other claim you make is that you are acting in "good faith", which is super fuzzy. An actor sending out notices on content detected by content-id bots is almost certainly acting in "good faith" if they haven't been made aware of potential errors by those bots.

[1] https://www.aclu.org/other/text-digital-millennium-copyright... (search for "ELEMENTS OF NOTIFICATION")

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Post by charliebrownau »

Notice that most American companies over 1M don't have

Customer Email

Customer Web live chat

Customer phone number

Its almost on PURPOSE they hide behind their company band and broken corrupt system that panders to corporations and not the actual creation user

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by tlogan »

RubberbandSoul wrote: post #8
mdorazio wrote: post #2

The question to me when these stories come up at least once a month is: Why would YouTube want to fix this? YouTube as a platform for generating revenue has largely become the domain of large media companies and top personalities. Those entities have a vested interest in keeping the copyright claim system exactly as it is, and YouTube has a vested interest in keeping those entities happy. I think we've long since pas…

I think you answered your own question. YouTube is running the risk of turning into a sterile, corporate mall. Soon enough an edgier, more tolerant alternative will pop up and start attracting eyeballs.

Definitely. One example is Twitch - It seems like Twitch is growing while YouTube Gaming is shrining [1].

The trick to find the niche and be 10x better than youtube for that niche and then expand from there.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/26/twitch-solidifies-its-lead...

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Post by nearmuse »

makecheck wrote: post #186

Why do we have push-button screw-people-over systems at all? If the problem is that there are “too many” things for companies to review manually, too bad! If a company is perfectly fine raking in money from massive sales at a global scale, they should be willing to spend a proportional amount of money to do business at that scale. Let them hire their own people to review content in depth. Let them hire their own goon…

This is a less technical solution, and less profitable as consequence. It is also subtracting from software's image as magic, which again amongst other things makes it less profitable.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by ClassyJacket »

gatewaynode wrote: post #77

It would seem if you make money on YouTube you should also be formally copyrighting your work, so you can easily go after people who perform these monetization attacks and maximize compensation.

In alot of countries (Australia for example) there is no copyright registration at all. You just automatically own the copyright to things you create.

https://www.copyright.org.au/ACC/Find_an_Answer/FAQ__How_do_...

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