The US is keen to fall for the Thucydides trap. For now the US is the dominant economy; by 2050, most GDP output will be in Asia. The US may win the short term skirmish, but they will lose this war. China is making inroads in the other economies that will matter in the future. This move is terribly myopic and will end with the US having given up an opportunity to work with the emerging power. Huawei powers and will continue to power the rest of the world. This isn’t changing anytime soon. India, Africa etc
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#72I guess this is a thinly veiled attack on China, but I'm a bit confused why there's a feud between the US and China in the first place. Perhaps my ignorance is down to being British and a bit out of the loop, but could someone give a rough outline on what the underlying motives for this are?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
The biggest threat to Google in my opinion would be the possibility that Huawei and China could try to "steal" Android from them. Imagine in 2021 the Chinese government mandates that every Chinese smartphone manufacturer needs to switch to ChAndroid for all of their product lines, with a single unified app store, whether they sell the phones inside or outside of China. Well, fully half of the top smartphone companies…
Europe forced Google into a consent degree. It isn’t allow to forbid manufacturers from selling non Google versions of Android.
Correct. So manufacturers should be allowed to sell Android and "Android-compatible" phones simultaneously, whereas before Google forced manufacturers to choose either/or. But that decision is still under appeal as far as I can tell. It also doesn't remove the technical/marketing/user hurdles of getting everyone to port their software over to new APIs, a new app store, and getting the users to get comfortable with a whole new app store and none of the Google apps they expect (like Google Maps, GMail, etc.)
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#74How does this affect Huawei's base station business? They are massive in Europe.
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#75Sad to see as they make some compelling phones with outrageously great prices[0]. I used to think about the privacy problems with buying a chinese phone but this day and age where facebook is selling your data to the highest bidder and the fusion centers crawling all over our cellphone - who cares? I'd rather have the chinese have my data than the US companies/gov't(only because I will never visit their country), though they wouldn't be exclusive in this case.
[0]:https://www.banggood.com/Xiaomi-Mi-Play-Global-Version-5_84-...
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#76This is likely going to hurt Huawei a lot more than Google. Losing access to latest Android versions or Google apps will make it more difficult for their phones to gain adoption globally.
It's pushing chinese firms to create an Android competitor. In the long term, this might hurt Google a lot.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Otherwise, the article is good for showing the extent of the political situation. One might be able to stretch this to 'US aids potential cyber attacks in China' since phones in China might no longer receive security updates in Android.
The open source version of Android is still available. Why wouldn’t that be getting updates?
Will I, as a European customer of Huawei, still get app updates from Google Play and push messages via firebase cloud messaging? Without the Google framework my phone is a brick...
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#78I don't know anything about the supply chain for data center hardware, but it seems more likely that China would intercept shipments of say Cisco and Juniper gear and modify them (something the NSA has done) instead of building hardware with a backdoor in it? When you buy a Cisco router do they provide a "chain of custody" proving it didn't come from or go through hostile countries? I understand these routers have a…
> but it seems more likely that China would intercept shipments of say Cisco
Not sure if you have been paying attention to the stock market. Many of the companies which are up are ones who have eliminated their ties with China [0]. Cisco is one such company whose stock rose recently [1] as a result of moving from China [2].
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m-vck6ebnE
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_uohGLOiK0
[2]: https://www.ft.com/content/312f7b52-7765-11e9-be7d-6d846537a...
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That part could, but the others couldn't. Including all apps shipped on Google Play.
Do people in China even use the Google Playstore? (serious question)
No, it it not available there.
But Huawei has a large marketshare outside China. E.g. in Europe they are currently neck-to-neck with Apple in smartphone sales.
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I believe they cannot, Google demands certification before allowing their apps to be used. It's impossible to sideload google apps.
Unless this google certification is stored in hardware, that's not the case. You can flash Android phones with a custom bootloader, use that to flash AOSP (open source core android)/LineageOS, and for most people doing that the next step is to flash gapps on top of that. Here's a popular gapps distribution: https://opengapps.org/#aboutsection Google's requirements mainly apply to OEMs bundling gapps into their stock…
locked bootloader in huawei I think, even if they open it it's not really a normal sideload and will be hard enough to not be a generally applicable solution.