European Court of Justice: EU employers must track working time in detail

Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Fri, May 17, 2019, 1:31 PM UTC

consp wrote: post #14

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #7

> A German confederation of employers said that the ruling was tantamount to demanding a return to workers punching in and punching out on arrival and departure, calling this impractical given modern working practices, smartphones, home offices and the like. Not really in agreement with the ruling but that's a dumb argument. Tons of tech contractors bill by the hour where accurately tracking time is a financial requi…

True, And those same contractors do not take the hours worked off contract into account which by experience is combined always more than the stated work week hours. It's a cheap way to not deal with overtime.

> And those same contractors do not take the hours worked off contract into account

What do you mean? If I'm working on your project, I'm billing you for my time.

Post by mar77i » Sun, May 19, 2019, 5:47 PM UTC

phoe-krk wrote: post #28

mar77i wrote: post #26

The ruling is strange, because in my opinion part of a modern working environment would be driven by some form of mutual trust. If you put the burden of "proof of accomplishment" on the workers, that may stifle workplace attractiveness and pose a bureaucratic hurdle. Hence cracking down on untracked, yet (or even therefore) quality employment relationships would naturally appear a step in the wrong direction. I get i…

> If you put the burden of "proof of accomplishment" on the workers, that may stifle workplace attractiveness and pose a bureaucratic hurdle. An example of such a system is a glorified Excel sheet, given to your manager monthly, where you write how many hours have you worked on a given workday and which project you should report the time on, if you have multiple. Getting acquainted with the system might take half an…

You have a point there, I stand corrected.

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