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Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by conanbatt »

jacquesm wrote: post #81
vkou wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you’re dead, what do you care what happens to your remains? Because our society believes in body autonomy, to the point that it won't use your body's organs to save other human beings, without your express consent. Your body is your property, and it takes a damn good reason for someone else to access your property, contrary to your will.

> it won't use your body's organs to save other human beings, without your express consent No longer true here in NL: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/14/health/new-dutch-law-orga...

I blame the Predictably Irrational guy for making opt out so popular world-wide.

I personally find it abhorrent. I used to be an organ donor before they made it opt-out in argentina: after that in protest I took myself out.

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by conanbatt »

Fnoord wrote: post #109
vkou wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you’re dead, what do you care what happens to your remains? Because our society believes in body autonomy, to the point that it won't use your body's organs to save other human beings, without your express consent. Your body is your property, and it takes a damn good reason for someone else to access your property, contrary to your will.

> Because our society believes in body autonomy, to the point that it won't use your body's organs to save other human beings, without your express consent. > Your body is your property, and it takes a damn good reason for someone else to access your property, contrary to your will. The way I see it, we're a guest on the planet, and after we are done for, there's a few things we leave behind: our direct ancestors (fa…

If the host is the planet, what is the claim on the other guests to your body.

There is a great danger in the state being able to use dna this way: it is against privacy, and privacy is a tool against attacks on liberty. It is also a tool for crime.

You can't live free without crime. Once the state has this information, it can only be used against you, not in your favor.

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by conanbatt »

wpietri wrote: post #43
verisimilitudes wrote: post #2

I find it disconcerting that someone's remains would be violated due to being a murder suspect. This is one of many reasons to have your remains cremated, I suppose. It also avoids wasting space in a graveyard and whatnot. I'm beginning to seriously hear people discuss that it's perfectly okay to use DNA people submit in these ways and even that it would be okay for the government to collect trash and other things th…

I don't agree at all. They're not digging people up willy nilly. They had to get a warrant. It's reasonable to have our interest in catching murderers sometimes override our right to privacy. As long as there's a reasonable apparatus for determining the balance, I'm fine with it. I'm also not particularly troubled by DNA technology as such. If I'm going to worry about totalitarian control of society, I think it's one…

Yeah but they are now also using services like 23andme and such, where the people are living and have not consented to such a thing.

I'm not too privacy conscious but that information definitely moved me away from that kind of dna anaylsis.

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by conanbatt »

dontbenebby wrote: post #58
verisimilitudes wrote: post #2

I find it disconcerting that someone's remains would be violated due to being a murder suspect. This is one of many reasons to have your remains cremated, I suppose. It also avoids wasting space in a graveyard and whatnot. I'm beginning to seriously hear people discuss that it's perfectly okay to use DNA people submit in these ways and even that it would be okay for the government to collect trash and other things th…

>I'm beginning to seriously hear people discuss that it's perfectly okay to use DNA people submit in these ways and even that it would be okay for the government to collect trash and other things that would contain DNA to add people to databases. Such arguments are usually emotional It's also "emotional" to not want your remains to be compared to a serial killer's DNA. There is admittedly a property rights argument t…

It's not bits of litter, is information you may not want to share.

What if they use it to convict your descendants for sending their kid to the wrong school district?

All headways into new ways to use technology and pry into privacy will start with the most egregious cases, murders and serial killers, and eventually wind up being used for anything. It is a tool from the state against the citizenry: I personally find the state to be powerful enough already. It can kill anyone, seize almost all their assets and hell, they don't even need to have a reason to kill you!

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by homonculus1 »

pfdietz wrote: post #136
Iamhisalt wrote: post #127

Buried in there: “Do you realize, for example, that when you upload your DNA, you’re potentially becoming a genetic informant on the rest of your family?” Elizabeth Joh, a UC Davis law professor who studies the Fourth Amendment and technology, told the magazine.

I can inform on a serial killer in my family even if I didn't know they were a serial killer? Shut up and take my DNA.

Bold of you to assume this will only ever be used to hunt serial killers.

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by balt_s »

evgen wrote: post #114
qwsxyh wrote: post #92

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It is only about dead me. It's my body.

Once you are dead it is no longer your body. The dead have no rights. None whatsoever.

This is a faith statement not based in objective fact. Materialism has this to say about the dead; other religions express their beliefs differently.

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by mikeash »

mindcrime wrote: post #85
veidr wrote: post #83

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Furthering the cause of logic and reasonability? Advocating for evidence-based forensic science winning out over superstition and other lesser concerns?

Furthering the cause of logic and reasonability? Advocating for evidence-based forensic science winning out over superstition and other lesser concerns? Calling somebody out over something incredibly subjective, on an HN comment, seems like a terribly weak effort towards that end.

Oh no, a weak effort, how terrible.

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by [deleted] »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #137
xfitm3 wrote: post #49

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Have you been to Shenzhen lately? You must swipe your ID card before buying a train pass, mandatory random police checkpoints, tens of thousands of cameras+facial recognition laser scanners. All in the name of "reducing crime". It's complete bullshit. Crime stats are pumped up and these measures are slowly introduced with little to no pushback from citizens.

> ...with little to no pushback from citizens. Probably because they don’t want to die

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Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by pfdietz »

homonculus1 wrote: post #145
pfdietz wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can inform on a serial killer in my family even if I didn't know they were a serial killer? Shut up and take my DNA.

Bold of you to assume this will only ever be used to hunt serial killers.

It could also be used to hunt for deadbeat fathers, or rapists who didn't murder anyone, or...

Why exactly am I supposed to be opposed to this? Your feelings and inchoate fears?

Re: Seattle police use family DNA, latest science to identify killer 52 years later

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Post by conanbatt »

scarface74 wrote: post #140
conanbatt wrote: post #138

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No organ donation?

Sure. I signed up for organ donation.

I think signing up for organ donation means you do care about what happens to your body. You care that someone gets something out of it!
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