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That's what I don't get about Apple. You're selling a premium product that in some cases costs over $1K. How much labor does it take to put one together, amortized per millions of them? An hour? Would paying $35 to a US worker for that hour be out of line? I mean, this is the company that chooses to virtue signal on a ton of different first-world issues. How about not having your main, highest margin product made by…
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would you mind elaborating a bit por favor?
China and Taiwan don't have a great relationship. China claims Taiwan but Taiwan claims to be independent. There is a shadow affirmation by most world powers about Taiwan's independence. (i.e. the US hasn't affirmed their state but sells them guns)
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Do you know the market rate for this kind of labor in the area? Is Foxconn competitive with other manufacturers? Feel free to cite any numbers if you've got em. From what I've heard, Foxconn is a highly desirable place to work with top of market pay and benefits. A lot of people move just to work for Foxconn. So clearly there's a dynamic going on here that'll take more nuance to understand than can be painted with a…
What about the racism? Is there nuance in that as well?
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China and Taiwan don't have a great relationship. China claims Taiwan but Taiwan claims to be independent. There is a shadow affirmation by most world powers about Taiwan's independence. (i.e. the US hasn't affirmed their state but sells them guns)
i see, so here we would basically have the communist party let that kind of reporting, uncensored, because of the grand chessboard game with Taiwan. It is an entertaining theory but I'm afraid the very existence of the factory, to begin with, discredits it entirely.
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Entirely wrong : that's not Apple doing that, and, having spent years as an engineer at Apple, it's a huge priority to be ethical and good. i'm serious. Why not move elsewhere? The only factories able to produce the required volumes are, by virtue of great planning by China, there, and perform work on a contract basis for many companies, Apple included, Dell, and so on.
> The only factories able to produce the required volumes are, by virtue of great planning by China, there I take a nuanced view of these things. I understand that in vast swathes of rural China job opportunities like this were until recently the only way to make a decent living for many people (most of my family is Asian, and I have investments there). And I also know that most companies could not in fact replicate…
That's what I don't get about Apple. You're selling a premium product that in some cases costs over $1K. How much labor does it take to put one together, amortized per millions of them? An hour? Would paying $35 to a US worker for that hour be out of line? I mean, this is the company that chooses to virtue signal on a ton of different first-world issues. How about not having your main, highest margin product made by…
> made by 16 year old children in a sweat shop, earning starvation wages? Are they in fact starvation wages? I'm the last person to defend Apple, and I'm all for emotional appeals about ethical issues, but they're useless without an understanding of the facts, and none of the complainants on this thread seem interested in understanding whether what they're saying is accurate, presumably on the off chance that they'd…
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> made by 16 year old children in a sweat shop, earning starvation wages? Are they in fact starvation wages? I'm the last person to defend Apple, and I'm all for emotional appeals about ethical issues, but they're useless without an understanding of the facts, and none of the complainants on this thread seem interested in understanding whether what they're saying is accurate, presumably on the off chance that they'd…
Elsewhere in the comments someone dug up the stats: they earn one third the mean wage in that region. That's how what I'd expect given that they're making something that costs over three times their monthly salary and has a 30%+ margin.
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Elsewhere in the comments someone dug up the stats: they earn one third the mean wage in that region. That's how what I'd expect given that they're making something that costs over three times their monthly salary and has a 30%+ margin.
I see the mean wage statistics, but interpreting means is very sensitive to the distribution and the income distribution in developing countries can be _very_ unintuitive. Something like a median (or lower percentile) is a much better indicator of a claim like "starvation wages".
I don't come here to fucking read the fucking New York Times. I come here to get away from exactly that kind of bulk, generic, broad-audience information source.