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Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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post #109

This is not true. What he says in the memo is "it would take us 10 months to burn through the $2.3 billion we just raised at our Q1 burn rate" They've guided for a "significantly smaller" loss in Q2, and positive cash flow in Q3 and Q4. With $2.4 billion raised, $2.2 billion in the bank, and $2 billion worth of payments coming from Fiat Chrysler cash is not as much of a concern as the headline would suggest.

The headline used to be "Tesla Has 10 Months of Cash to Burn Before Dying Out" before we changed it. That's because the article was originally a different one—see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19950431 .

good work stopping misinformation

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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post #101

I worked for a company that had a similar take on spending. The company was extremely profitable and brought in greater than 1 billion dollar in revenue. Yet any PO that was greater than $100 needed approval by the CEO. Not only that, the PO had to be typed on a manual typewriter (this is 2007) using carbon paper, and hand-delivered to a number of people to start moving up the chain. The process intentionally took MO…

$100 seems like a pretty extreme threshold. Would make more sense to have a budget for a group or an individual, then only require approval once the budget has been depleted (though I guess this could potentially incentivize overspending instead).

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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> On Jan. 30, Musk told investors he thought Tesla would continue making money after finally turning its first back-to-back profits during the third and fourth quarters of last year, fulfilling his previous forecast that Tesla would become “sustainably profitable” from the third quarter of 2018 onward. Followed by a massive quarterly loss of $700MM and the pronouncement that the company has less than 10 months of cas…

Fraud. It was apparent they were hurting those quarters and the math didn't seem to add up. The we are profitable announcement was on the heels of high profile departures in their accounting and finance department.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/musk-says-tesla-cfo-deepak-a...

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The domestic oil boom and the fact that we are now a net exporter of oil makes the transition to electric cars less urgent.

This ignores the fact that EVs are currently the only viable path towards road-based transport that is compatible with the continued existence of our species. The transition isn't urgent due to oil prices. It's urgent due to greenhouse gases making the planet inhospitable for humans.

You seem to have a very low opinion of human adaptability to varying climates.

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit later in the thread the poster also states a pretty good explanation: > A lot of FUD from the media said Elon stated they will only have 10 months left before cash balance is zero. No where in this letter stated such a thing and Elon just used an arbitrary number(in this case the newly raised capital) to express the point that 2.4 billion may seem like a lot of money, but we shouldn't take it for granted. In fa…

> their demand is still going strong. This is what's not clear, and a major risk factor for them. I think Musk views 35k as the inflection point where quantity demanded sky rockets and he's not been able to get there. Seems like a lot of decisions were made based on assuming that would happen by 2019.

The $35k model 3 does exist (well, $35.4k after last week's price bump). But it's a software limited version of the $40k SR+ model and it's not listed on the website and you have to talk to person to order it who will probably try to upsell you as if their job depended on it.

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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At this point the Tesla brand is so valuable that the company is unlikely to die. A more likely outcome is that Tesla will be partially or fully acquired by another company. The Ford-Mazda partnership that ended around 2015 is one possible model.

A bankruptcy rarely means a company actually "dies"...but it would be quite the wake-up call for SV.

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your link is to what is represented as the authentic text of the memo. If genuine, to me, this seem like the most important bit: "It is important to bear in mind that we lost $700 million in the first quarter this year, which is over $200 million per month. Investors nonetheless were supportive of our efforts and agreed to give us $2.4 billion (our net proceeds) to show that we can be financially sustainable. That is…

> With relatively low gas prices at the moment, decreasing federal subsidies for electric cars, and more players entering the market, it seems like Tesla is in a pretty tough spot. Nothing you couldn't see coming 5 years ago, however.

5 years ago "gas will be $5 a gallon" would seem like a very safe bet.

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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post #20

Few thoughts 1. Is anyone still buying car? May be it's a huge necessessity in US but most of the cities are fairly packed and have good public transport and improving 2. Idea of self driving car will indeed be a big selling point. Still people will pool those and cost of transport in general will come down because of Uber's fleet. Self ownership will still not go up significantly unless idea is to buy for long dista…

>>1. Is anyone still buying car? May be it's a huge necessessity in US but most of the cities are fairly packed and have good public transport and improving Is this like....a joke? I mean I get it - I used to live in a big city where owning a car just seemed stupid and wasteful. But once you live outside of the metropolis, where yes, there is public transport(in a form of a bus or two going every two hours), and you…

Even without kids, lots of hobbies require going to far away places with equipment. Lots of those places may not have Uber.

Kids today just aren't imaginative anymore.

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

#129
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The domestic oil boom and the fact that we are now a net exporter of oil makes the transition to electric cars less urgent.

This ignores the fact that EVs are currently the only viable path towards road-based transport that is compatible with the continued existence of our species. The transition isn't urgent due to oil prices. It's urgent due to greenhouse gases making the planet inhospitable for humans.

There are also fuel cell vehicles such as the Honda Clarity, Toyota Mirai, and Hyundai Nexo.

Re: Musk to review all of Tesla's expenses in new cost cutting plan

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post #18
post #12

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/bq50s8/elons_a...

Your link is to what is represented as the authentic text of the memo. If genuine, to me, this seem like the most important bit: "It is important to bear in mind that we lost $700 million in the first quarter this year, which is over $200 million per month. Investors nonetheless were supportive of our efforts and agreed to give us $2.4 billion (our net proceeds) to show that we can be financially sustainable. That is…

Seems like gas prices are currently around the ten year average: https://www.gasbuddy.com/Charts

I’m not sure that gas prices matter all that much to Tesla though. Even with the low-end Model 3, it’s tough to save money over an efficient gas car. Tesla’s appeal is based more on their cars being fun, quick, quiet, clean, practical, and technologically sophisticated.

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