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Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

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Post by nickpeterson »

throwas1984 wrote: post #38
abalone wrote: post #3

> A poster in an agency describes job qualification for Foxconn workers: age between 16 and 40, ninth-grade diploma, no Tibetan and Uygur ethnicities. Many damning things in the report but this straight up racism demands a firm response from Apple.

While I as European fully agree with your point of view, I think that projecting our world perspective on other countries is just bs. Fight with racism is purely white peoples concept. Racism is a term usually doesn't even exist outside of Europe/North America. So we shouldn't try to put our mentality on top of China, as we are not the sole source of truth in this world.

I'll bite, if racism is so accepted in other places doesn't that just make them all wrong? Or are you contending that racism has value?

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

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Post by nikanj »

abalone wrote: post #3

> A poster in an agency describes job qualification for Foxconn workers: age between 16 and 40, ninth-grade diploma, no Tibetan and Uygur ethnicities. Many damning things in the report but this straight up racism demands a firm response from Apple.

Why Apple? Foxconn makes _everything_. Yet it’s always ”iPhone maker”, never ”xbox maker” or ”Hamilton Beach toaster maker”

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

#43

Post by m0zg »

That's what I don't get about Apple. You're selling a premium product that in some cases costs over $1K. How much labor does it take to put one together, amortized per millions of them? An hour? Would paying $35 to a US worker for that hour be out of line? I mean, this is the company that chooses to virtue signal on a ton of different first-world issues. How about not having your main, highest margin product made by 16 year old children in a sweat shop, earning starvation wages?

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

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Post by stallmanite »

throwas1984 wrote: post #38
abalone wrote: post #3

> A poster in an agency describes job qualification for Foxconn workers: age between 16 and 40, ninth-grade diploma, no Tibetan and Uygur ethnicities. Many damning things in the report but this straight up racism demands a firm response from Apple.

While I as European fully agree with your point of view, I think that projecting our world perspective on other countries is just bs. Fight with racism is purely white peoples concept. Racism is a term usually doesn't even exist outside of Europe/North America. So we shouldn't try to put our mentality on top of China, as we are not the sole source of truth in this world.

This is insane. Oppression and killing of one group by another is a problem I don’t care what your culture is.

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

#45

Post by throwas1984 »

nickpeterson wrote: post #41
throwas1984 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I as European fully agree with your point of view, I think that projecting our world perspective on other countries is just bs. Fight with racism is purely white peoples concept. Racism is a term usually doesn't even exist outside of Europe/North America. So we shouldn't try to put our mentality on top of China, as we are not the sole source of truth in this world.

I'll bite, if racism is so accepted in other places doesn't that just make them all wrong? Or are you contending that racism has value?

I personally think that racism is very wrong and needs to be left in the past. It has no value in current world.

But me, an European, saying to Chinese how they must live and behave - this is just neo colonialism. They should figure this out on their own.

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

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Post by yumraj »

abalone wrote: post #3

> A poster in an agency describes job qualification for Foxconn workers: age between 16 and 40, ninth-grade diploma, no Tibetan and Uygur ethnicities. Many damning things in the report but this straight up racism demands a firm response from Apple.

I don't think that is racism per se, that just proves what everyone already knows, that Tibet and Xinjiang are occupied territories/colonies and not really part of China.

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

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Post by true_religion »

throwas1984 wrote: post #45
nickpeterson wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite, if racism is so accepted in other places doesn't that just make them all wrong? Or are you contending that racism has value?

I personally think that racism is very wrong and needs to be left in the past. It has no value in current world. But me, an European, saying to Chinese how they must live and behave - this is just neo colonialism. They should figure this out on their own.

I mean, they can figure this out on their own but in the meanwhile we don’t have to trade with them and give them money to essentially violate our ethics at arms length distance.

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

#48

Post by wutbrodo »

claudiawerner wrote: post #37
wswkb wrote: post #22

Without knowing what the median salary per hour is in that part of China, this is just rage-bait.

Perhaps whatever the median is, it's still too low.

Sure, but then the story becomes "it's sad that poor countries exist" instead of "Apple has an exploitative supply chain".

Not to mention that the numbers are meaningless without a sense of price levels. My cousin is a lawyer in Delhi and lives a life that would be recognizable to your I as very upper-middle class, and yet his equivalent USD salary is roughly one tenth of mine.

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

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Post by wutbrodo »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #10
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the broad brush stroke had a social democratic Western labour perspective, the labour would be unionised and pay and benefits would be negotiated collectively. That doesn't seem to be the case. Of course the "market rate" will always depress wages as much as possible, because that's what markets are supposed to do - and also to excuse. But there are human externalities, and it takes a rather strange view of the va…

> If the broad brush stroke had a social democratic Western labour perspective, the labour would be unionised and pay and benefits would be negotiated collectively. I'm amused that you're saying this about Communist China. :D

Well, "Communism with Chinese characteristics" is quite a strange beast.

Re: I was offered a job at Foxconn to assemble iPhones for $1.7 per hour

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Post by wutbrodo »

m0zg wrote: post #43

That's what I don't get about Apple. You're selling a premium product that in some cases costs over $1K. How much labor does it take to put one together, amortized per millions of them? An hour? Would paying $35 to a US worker for that hour be out of line? I mean, this is the company that chooses to virtue signal on a ton of different first-world issues. How about not having your main, highest margin product made by…

> made by 16 year old children in a sweat shop, earning starvation wages?

Are they in fact starvation wages? I'm the last person to defend Apple, and I'm all for emotional appeals about ethical issues, but they're useless without an understanding of the facts, and none of the complainants on this thread seem interested in understanding whether what they're saying is accurate, presumably on the off chance that they'd lose the opportunity to pay themselves on the back for their outrage.

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