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What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper

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Re: What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper

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> Well, increased water consumption has a lot of ecological problems as well. Well, using paper costs more water than using water itself. Also, the ecological problems of using paper is far worse than using water alone[0][1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_paper [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper#Environmental_con...

Water has a really high heat capacity, meaning that it takes a lot of energy to heat. Intuitively, how much water do you think the toilet paper of one bathroom visit would heat, if usef as fuel? (Answer: much less than what you would use to replace TP)

How much energy is used to make TP and transport it to your local store?

Re: What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper

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Americans don't have a high ground here. The first time I used a modern bidet was eye-opening. It eliminates the funk. It's environmentally friendly. It's easier on the bum, if you have hemmaroids (I don't, but this is the report from friends and family that do suffer). And it just feels refreshing. The toilet paper is only needed to sanity check cleanliness and dry out. The American squeamishness over the bidet is i…

The hemroid thing 100%. For all us desk jockies, they'll happen! Paper hurts, bidet/water all the way.

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I wonder why so many articles today have so many words but yet so little content? This one has a mile-long introduction. The headlines question could have been answered in rather few words. I feel a short answer had satisfied me. To make it even more frustrating to me the article teases different but-wiping techniques used today without telling me which ones. Thanks for that... I said I wonder why, I guess that was a…

I was equally annoyed by the narrative intro, angrily skimming to find the answer. Unfortunately, I think its a trend within information media – I find myself skimming Atlas Obscura the same way I skim Nautilus. These articles are good for keywords to prompt the real search…

This style is leaking into documentaries too. The best example is "Wild Wild Country" – a six hour long docuseries where I still had to read the wikipedia page afterwards.

Re: What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper

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The other way around :)

Oh dear.. So the left hand is for dirty work, and the right hand for clean? But why do we shake hands with the right hand then? I guess there could be some "social respect" reason, but from a germs-and-stuff point of view it seems nonsensical?

The right hand is your weapon hand. So by offering it, you are stating that you do not intend to fight.

Re: What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper

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I wonder why so many articles today have so many words but yet so little content? This one has a mile-long introduction. The headlines question could have been answered in rather few words. I feel a short answer had satisfied me. To make it even more frustrating to me the article teases different but-wiping techniques used today without telling me which ones. Thanks for that... I said I wonder why, I guess that was a…

SEO?

Re: What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper

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Sometimes I wish there was a website where immigrants could list things that are far superior in their country of origin than the one they immigrated to. It’d be very useful for other immigrants so they can temper expectations before committing to such drastic change. Other than toilet practices & the taste of chicken, there’s so many areas where the third world is light years ahead of america. Often I have to fight…

What else do you miss?

Shutki mach. Mangoes. People having kids and families living together.

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Why do you wonder about "down votes" on a comment that basically insults people in tech on a forum primarily visited by people in tech.

Why would tech people, who pride themselves on objectivity, find it insulting? Do tech people deny that they, AS A WHOLE, ON AVERAGE, have below average social skills and below average art skills? A lot of men in tech also deny that current tech culture is sexist, often misogynist. That's male objectivity for you. Perhaps a similar "biased objectivity" is at play here. It's all a bit ironic given that the two comment…

Would you please not take HN threads further into the weeds like this?

Re: What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper

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Human urine is full of ammonia and other chemicals that are great natural detergents. If you worked in a Roman laundromat, your job was to stomp on clothes all day long—barefoot and ankle deep in colossal vats of human pee. It gets worse, the ancient Romans also used urine as a mouthwash to whiten their teeth.

wait, our urine doesn't contain ammonia, we convert nitrogen to urea as it is far less toxic than ammonia.

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When we moved from Bangladesh to the US in the late 1980s, there were a couple of things that made us go “WTF?” One was the taste of chicken. In Bangladesh, you go buy a scrawny live chicken from the market and butcher it. It took me the better part of a year to be able to stomach American chicken, which tastes like wet cardboard in comparison. The other “WTF” thing was toilet paper. In Bangladesh, you rinse with wat…

A stand-alone bidet which can be used to wash with soap and water is indeed much better than toiler paper when it comes to hygiene and to be honest also comfort. But it has to be liquid soap and running water, otherwise you're just growing E. coli, especially if it's some sort of shared bathroom.

Nevertheless, bidets are unavailable in (I would say) most households and definitely unavailable when not using the toilet at home. Furthermore, it's rather inconvenient to use it every time after going to the bathroom because one has to pretty much take off their pants and underwear in order to have proper access. Their only advantage is that they are still more convenient than showering.

The Japanese water toilets don't seem like such a great idea to me, for the same reason that properly washing ones hands after using the bathroom requires thoroughly rubbing them together for some time with soap, not just rinsing them with water: using just water doesn't work. Spraying pressured water will help with cleaning, but also spread fine particles of crap everywhere.

Toilet paper may not be as efficient as a bidet, maybe less efficient than using just water, but it still works and using those Japanse toilets or a bidet is really not the mind-blowing revolution that it's made to look like. As long as one cleans up after using the toilet, washes their hands properly and showers reasonably often, I don't see any advantage to all these contraptions. It's more of a squeamishness or comfort thing. And there's always wet wipes.

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