Live data from Hacker News

Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

cbsnews.com

51–60 of 222 posts

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#51
post #16

Chicago is in the hole for nearly thirty billion dollars. They have been floating the idea of a ten billion dollar bond with the debt structured in a way which lets current politicians escape the fallout from its payment and not having to raise property taxes. The state of Illinois is not well off either with debts estimated at the low of one hundred thirty billion to two hundred fifty billion. An Illinois proposal j…

Pulling or cutting the pensions of retired public service workers (many of whom who risked their lives to protect the public) would, beyond the ethical questions, eliminate the credibility of the city's promises to those who sign up for such jobs and hence would likely greatly reduce the quantity and quality of recruits.

I don’t think the fix is removing pensions from old people, but rather drastically reforming pensions for future retirees entering the workforce now.

Cutting pensions now would be like cutting someone’s salary and would likely lead to skilled people quitting.

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#52

Chicago is in the hole for nearly thirty billion dollars. They have been floating the idea of a ten billion dollar bond with the debt structured in a way which lets current politicians escape the fallout from its payment and not having to raise property taxes. The state of Illinois is not well off either with debts estimated at the low of one hundred thirty billion to two hundred fifty billion. An Illinois proposal j…

Do the employees and employers not pay into a separate fund that cannot be touched? I fail to see how it's the fault of the pensioners. It's absolutely archaic if the future taxpayers have to pay for a retirees pension. In Canada we have pension funds that are separately funded entities that are payed into over an employee's career.

Pay-as-you-go versus fully funded makes little difference. If you fix retiree membership and consumption, it's the difference between workers paying an extra $X/month in student loan repayments etc versus an extra $X/month in taxes.

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the employees and employers not pay into a separate fund that cannot be touched? I fail to see how it's the fault of the pensioners. It's absolutely archaic if the future taxpayers have to pay for a retirees pension. In Canada we have pension funds that are separately funded entities that are payed into over an employee's career.

How do you ensure the funds are invested properly, and not in a nephew's real estate development project? How do you ensure the correct assumptions are used in calculating how much to contribute into the fund in the first place? You can adjust mortality tables and investment return assumptions to make the benefits seem cheaper than they are. The government can even choose to forego making their understated contributi…

“How do you ensure the funds are invested properly”

Look up the Ontario public teachers pension plan, OTPP. It has its own quite extensive wiki page.

Spoiler: it has more assets than the entire state of PA public pension fund (by a factor of 6, if I recall)

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#54
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$75k income, increasing at 1% a year, saving 15% each year, investing at 7% average returns over a 40 year career would give you $101k in retirement. That doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Err, who earns $75k a year for 40 years? 40 years ago that person probably started off below $15k/year. (In 1979 average household income was $19,553) https://www.multpl.com/us-average-income/table/by-year

The calculation includes inflation. $20k in 1979 is $70k today.

It’s also the classic tradeoff of government work: lower salary than you could get in the private market, but retirement equivalent to a higher salary than you could get. Compelling only if you are sufficiently long term oriented.

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#55

I thought the main reason states collect tax on Amazon purchases is because they have a presence in a state (distribution centers, warehouses, etc)? I'm confused how the legal thinking goes that a company not based in Chicago, offering services on the internet, can be taxed. (They don't even ship DVDs to most customers, whereas Amazon was shipping physical goods)

I think that has to be overturned with the way companies are consolidating to costal cities, else in the long run there won’t be tax collected at all.

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the employees and employers not pay into a separate fund that cannot be touched? I fail to see how it's the fault of the pensioners. It's absolutely archaic if the future taxpayers have to pay for a retirees pension. In Canada we have pension funds that are separately funded entities that are payed into over an employee's career.

How do you ensure the funds are invested properly, and not in a nephew's real estate development project? How do you ensure the correct assumptions are used in calculating how much to contribute into the fund in the first place? You can adjust mortality tables and investment return assumptions to make the benefits seem cheaper than they are. The government can even choose to forego making their understated contributi…

[deleted]

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#57

Chicago is in the hole for nearly thirty billion dollars. They have been floating the idea of a ten billion dollar bond with the debt structured in a way which lets current politicians escape the fallout from its payment and not having to raise property taxes. The state of Illinois is not well off either with debts estimated at the low of one hundred thirty billion to two hundred fifty billion. An Illinois proposal j…

$75k income, increasing at 1% a year, saving 15% each year, investing at 7% average returns over a 40 year career would give you $101k in retirement. That doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Your calculations are a bit off, since even $75k * 0.15 * 40 = $450k (ie, not taking into account salary increases or returns).

Also, $75k is a lot more that most people make. From what I can find, that would be ~85th percentile of personal income, or around the 60th percentile of household income.

Edit: Some representative (although a bit outdated) sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United...

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#58
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pulling or cutting the pensions of retired public service workers (many of whom who risked their lives to protect the public) would, beyond the ethical questions, eliminate the credibility of the city's promises to those who sign up for such jobs and hence would likely greatly reduce the quantity and quality of recruits.

The current proposed solution is just to cut back benefits on new job offers - though obviously if they cut back too much no one decent will want to work there.

Not true - if it were, every minimum wage, overworked job would go unfilled.

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#59
post #43

Chicago is in the hole for nearly thirty billion dollars. They have been floating the idea of a ten billion dollar bond with the debt structured in a way which lets current politicians escape the fallout from its payment and not having to raise property taxes. The state of Illinois is not well off either with debts estimated at the low of one hundred thirty billion to two hundred fifty billion. An Illinois proposal j…

Could they raise more money by locally legalizing more "sins" and heavily taxing them? Something of a cross between Las Vegas and Colorado could pull in a lot of revenue.

I suspect they will. As a resident of Colorado, once the politicians realize they can MAKE money off it, rather than spending considerably more money ON it (eg: jails, etc)... the transition suddenly "makes sense".

Re: Chicago successfully taxes streaming services

#60
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pulling or cutting the pensions of retired public service workers (many of whom who risked their lives to protect the public) would, beyond the ethical questions, eliminate the credibility of the city's promises to those who sign up for such jobs and hence would likely greatly reduce the quantity and quality of recruits.

Just pay them market rate and give them 401ks like everyone else - what am I missing? Why do we keep doing this to ourselves with government jobs?

Public employee unions.
Post reply on HN