I think SK government will not see problems in migration to Linux as blockers but as a major opportunity to help its IT businesses grow, particularly in the e-gov market. Net result: more choice and more business for all.
South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry
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Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry
#152At this rate, it really feels like the next version of Windows will be derived from some Unix os. Windows 8 and onwards has been an unmitigated IT disaster. Windows Server is meh. I once ran Ubuntu mate with a windows theme on a computer terminal in a computer lab, and everybody clamored to use it since it was faster, better at printing, and never bluescreened. (That particular model was forced into "obselecence" by…
Just as another anecdote to yours, I regularly get months of uptime with my Windows 10 dev box. Its been nothing but rock solid for me (so was 7 and 8 before that).
I'm not sure if it is possible to get months of uptime on a Windows 10 box without having pro/enterprise and disabling auto-updates. I have done this on my W10 desktop workstation and agree - literally no downtime/crashes until I have to windows update.
OOTH, my W10 laptop (xps 13 9343) is forced by microsoft to update. This means that every week my lappy spends around 90 minutes downloading, installing, failing, and finally rolling back an update. If I can remember I just keep delaying it.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
TCO was also a big part of the marketing campaign of Microsoft against Linux in the late 90ies, early 00s. A big difference compared to one or two decades ago is that a lot of domain-specific services have moved to web applications. So, there are probably a lot of machines out there that are just glorified web browsing machines. Also, the popularity of iOS and Android have made more applications cross-platform. Of co…
I’ve switched to libreoffice from excel and find it totally viable as an excel replacement except for lack of vba support, but it has its own scripting language so even that isn’t a deal breaker. It’s just so much faster and less bloated than today’s excel.
Unluckily in my case Libreoffice Calc (using it privately) is a lot slower when using formulas than MS Excel (using it for work).
Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry
#154I hope that Indian govt switches to Linux
I think the way forward here is getting more Linux support at lower levels, including the state-level. There has been some progress on this front, especially in Kerala, and also in Assam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_of_free_and_open-sour...
Recently state govts of Telangana and Gujarat have shifted to Linux
As have many colleges
What I was talking is the central govt and all govt undertakings. It'll be huge. Windows and IE6 is standard and they are bad, they hang a lot
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
That will be too much work. Why not use well maintained existing distros?
Why do the 600 existing distributions not do that? The way Linux systems are constructed is by gluing together a giant pile of disparately developed software, usually with fragile scripts, and trying to pretend that it is a robust and integrated system. Consequently, they require huge amounts of effort to alter, which will all be undone or in conflict with the next update. So what do you do when you get a Linux syste…
I get your point, but parent was trying to say that there will be some security concerns when Linux is to be used for Defense computers. That's why they need some hardening of the kernel/OS
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
That will be too much work. Why not use well maintained existing distros?
Because "well maintained distro" won't fix issues as soon as possible and won't make necessary changes. For example, Linux is not friendly to proprietary third-patry software, but the government might need it. Or there could be bugs.Or they might need to support local encryption standards in browsers and document editors. Or support a specific hardware device. So the working scenario is that a Korean company creates…
Got it. I had limited understanding. I stand corrected.
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#157I used to support our office in S. Korea. It's true they depend super heavily on ActiveX and other weird applets/software that runs only on Windows and/or IE. A lot of the communication with the government (yearly tax submission) as well as banking software would not run on our Linux or OSX devices, and so we had these 'loaner' windows 'tax machines' that got reimaged every few days that people could use to do their…
I guess running those ActiveX controls under Wine is a non starter?
Its funny how wine have better support for legacy win apps then windows 10. Probably a reason why they are switching to Linux.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
After Microsoft moved their german headquaters to Munich, which of course had nothing to do with their decision to switch back.
A two-year-old interview with Munich's mayor on that issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBRh2G29NNE
Difficult not to agree with the view that some corruption took place there. Dude seems shady and technically illiterate.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Whats worse is they could all pull it off if they invest in existing Distros and hire people to build out the main infrastructure they need I don't know about that, I've seen what kinds of systems the existing distros build and I'm not impressed. Which isn't to say that Microsoft would definitely better, seeing as they are doing their best to become a Linux distro themselves while embracing all the bad behaviors th…
> while embracing all the bad behaviors that entails What do you mean by this?
Increasing user hostility (see: forced updates "for your own good"), poorer quality software released more often, no QA, ridiculously convoluted dependency management...
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> Agreed, yet their goal is to build their own crappy version so that people think Linux sucks, when in reality it is still MS. Can't do it, Google owns that business model. I mean, they managed to do that twice ? Must have taken them some serious effort!
Not really, Microsoft has a lot of enterprise customers and when their first user experience to Linux is WSL they are immediately turned off and unable to even take it seriously. I can at least take Android and ChromeOS serious enough to see it being viable for most desktop users and small businesses. Android, along with G Suite, is great for mobile enterprise management.
Then why did Microsoft just recently patch it and make it better? (WSL)