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Israeli firm linked to WhatsApp spyware attack faces lawsuit

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Re: Israeli firm linked to WhatsApp spyware attack faces lawsuit

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What's the track record of Amnesty International against Israel?

It's an Israeli company not Israel the state that's facing the lawsuit

It's a UK company:

> Three months ago, a majority stake in NSO was acquired by the London based firm Novalpina Capital, founded by the banker and philanthropist Stephen Peel. It appears eager to rehabilitate the controversial software company’s reputation and maintain its value.

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Amnesty International donation page: https://www.amnesty.org/en/donate/

What's the track record of Amnesty International against Israel?

Seriously I had not even paid much or any attention on the "Israeli" part in the headline before reading your post.

And even now, my takeaway is closer to "Israel is one of those tech startup hubs" than "the Israeli government is involved in a privacy scandal".

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Suing the company which developed a tool rather than the organization which used the tool seems strange.

I think it seems strange where we imagine that tools are neutral. But they aren't, necessarily, and especially if the organization/developers knew they were building something to be used unlawfully, it's reasonable to hold them accountable. Taxi rides are generally neutral, too, but if someone hops into your taxi, asks you to drive to the bank and wait, and tells you outright that they're going to rob the place, that…

But did they make it for an unlawful purpose? Most countries have legal provisions to allow police or foreign intelligence to hack into phones. Could they have been selling these tools for those purposes and someone misused them?

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I think it seems strange where we imagine that tools are neutral. But they aren't, necessarily, and especially if the organization/developers knew they were building something to be used unlawfully, it's reasonable to hold them accountable. Taxi rides are generally neutral, too, but if someone hops into your taxi, asks you to drive to the bank and wait, and tells you outright that they're going to rob the place, that…

But did they make it for an unlawful purpose? Most countries have legal provisions to allow police or foreign intelligence to hack into phones. Could they have been selling these tools for those purposes and someone misused them?

And should they have stopped once it became known it got misused? All interesting questions for a court and the public to ponder.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the track record of Amnesty International against Israel?

Seriously I had not even paid much or any attention on the "Israeli" part in the headline before reading your post. And even now, my takeaway is closer to "Israel is one of those tech startup hubs" than "the Israeli government is involved in a privacy scandal".

Every other developed country has state sponsored hackers, is it really that hard to believe Israel does as well?

I think your aloof defense of Israel is suspicious, given their track record for paying individuals to sway public discourse.

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It seems like Facebook/WhatsApp would have known this exploit was being used in the wild. With FB’s engineering talent (and budget), you’d think that there would be automated systems to flag suspicious patterns of malformed/unexpected JSON going around.
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