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Who killed Olof Palme?

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Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

olivermarks wrote: post #19
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does 'wanting a conspiracy' mean? It means that people become so obsessed with "critical thinking" that they will never be satisfied. Every group telling them to let it go becomes just another brick in the wall of conspiracies surrounding them. Every shred of evidence just invites more questions about who faked it and why. It's interesting to speculate on the motives, although somewhat mood. Some people proba…

By 'problem' do you mean people not accepting the official narrative and having a go at 'critical thinking'? I wouldn't see that as a problem, I'd see that as a free society

Sure, it's a "free society" where everyone gets to prove the usefulness of vaccines for themselves, from first principle, because the medical community is corrupt and cannot be trusted. Where people actually start to believe in a "flat earth", and not just as a parody of conspiracy theories, and fly to New Zealand for their yearly meeting (from both Europe and the US, in opposite directions, go figure).

Yeah, that is "freedom", in some sense of the word. But people aren't actually using it to critical think about anything. They see it as license to choose the facts they believe and ignore those that are inconvenient.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by usr1106 »

mongol wrote: post #3

Would be interesting to hear how "interesting" this article is for an international audience. As a Swede I am sick and tired about all speculation over the years. It is like a wound that never heals. We will never know for sure. Probably like the JFK assasination.

> As a Swede I am sick and tired about all speculation over the years.

I'm not a Swede, but I happened to be in Sweden as a trainee in Sweden just a year after it happened. For a couple of years I read every article I saw. But now that so much time has gone, I don't read any article any more. Not even this one, I was just curious what people comment. It is not unlikely that the murderer has died in the meantime. The same holds for anybody who might have (had) knowledge what exactly happened. The credibility of any new witnesses after so many years cannot be very high. If someone confesses and can offer unique proof/insider knowledge I will hear about whithout reading such articles. Or if credible documents are found in some secret service's archives that they were involved. But it's not anything likely enough to happen that I could still be interested.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by flatter_the »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #21
olivermarks wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By 'problem' do you mean people not accepting the official narrative and having a go at 'critical thinking'? I wouldn't see that as a problem, I'd see that as a free society

Sure, it's a "free society" where everyone gets to prove the usefulness of vaccines for themselves, from first principle, because the medical community is corrupt and cannot be trusted. Where people actually start to believe in a "flat earth", and not just as a parody of conspiracy theories, and fly to New Zealand for their yearly meeting (from both Europe and the US, in opposite directions, go figure). Yeah, that is…

Dude. No one believes in "flat earth" shit. It's all hype and media narrative.

Those stories about a handful of schizo freaks are for clicks and ad impressions. Voyeurism for the supermarket checkout lane.

You're a drone for eating up the tabloid nonsense that purports its popularity. It isn't popular. It isn't relevant. It isn't a thing.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by mongol »

usr1106 wrote: post #22
mongol wrote: post #3

Would be interesting to hear how "interesting" this article is for an international audience. As a Swede I am sick and tired about all speculation over the years. It is like a wound that never heals. We will never know for sure. Probably like the JFK assasination.

> As a Swede I am sick and tired about all speculation over the years. I'm not a Swede, but I happened to be in Sweden as a trainee in Sweden just a year after it happened. For a couple of years I read every article I saw. But now that so much time has gone, I don't read any article any more. Not even this one, I was just curious what people comment. It is not unlikely that the murderer has died in the meantime. The…

You are right. It is actually more likely the murderer is dead than not. This is a simple observation because lots of people associated with the investigation are dead too. Simply beacause time has passed. Christer Pettersson is dead. Hans Holmér is dead. Lisbeth Palme is dead. 33-åringen is dead. Claes Zeime is dead. Axel Morath is dead. Lars Tingström is dead. Skandiamannen is dead. Ebbe Carlsson is dead. And so on, and so on..

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by simlevesque »

kartan wrote: post #9

I pass by Adolf Fredrik Church, where he is buried, each day. It was sad to see two people guarding his tomb all day, even in the rain, in the day that commemorates his dead. I have also read a book about his assassination that I will recommend to skip and read about his ideas instead. It will be better to share his ideas than to focus on his death. I think that his world view is more needed now than ever.

Do you have any source that lay out his ideas ?

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by fermigier »

"Les chefs des drapeaux rouges et les chefs des chemises noires ne vont qu'au pas cinglant de leurs bottes guerrières, le torse pris dans un corset de fer à l'épreuve de l'amour et des balles. Ils vont, tragiques et le flingue sur le cœur. Ils vont, métalliques et la peur au ventre, vers les palais blindés où s'ordonnent leurs lois de glace. Ils marchent droits sous leurs casquettes, leurs yeux durs sous verre fumé, cernés de vingt gorilles pare-chocs qui surveillent les toits pour repérer la mort. Mais la mort n'est pas pour les chefs des drapeaux rouges ni pour les chefs des chemises noires. La mort n'est pas aux fenêtres des rideaux de fer. Elle a trop peur.

La mort est sur Stockholm. Elle signe, d'un trait rouge sur la neige blanche, son aveu d'impuissance à tuer la liberté des hommes qui vont au cinéma, tout seuls, bras dessus, bras dessous, avec la femme qu'ils aiment jusqu'à ce que mort s'ensuive."

Pierre Desproges

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by rurban »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #20
mongol wrote: post #3

Would be interesting to hear how "interesting" this article is for an international audience. As a Swede I am sick and tired about all speculation over the years. It is like a wound that never heals. We will never know for sure. Probably like the JFK assasination.

I always enjoy these articles (to the extend that one can take joy in them), because they rarely fail to highlight how different politics can be. For an American audience, it's unthinkable that a leader of a government would go anywhere without their own private army. When I used to work in central Berlin, I regularly saw members of parliament and ministers have coffee or just walk around completely unprotected. Even…

I remember when I sat just behind José Manuel Barroso, that time the leader of the European Commission in a commercial airline, tourist class. I loved that guy, like the former Uruguayan president.

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by njepa »

simlevesque wrote: post #25
kartan wrote: post #9

I pass by Adolf Fredrik Church, where he is buried, each day. It was sad to see two people guarding his tomb all day, even in the rain, in the day that commemorates his dead. I have also read a book about his assassination that I will recommend to skip and read about his ideas instead. It will be better to share his ideas than to focus on his death. I think that his world view is more needed now than ever.

Do you have any source that lay out his ideas ?

This is probably your best bet. https://jacobinmag.com/search?query=olof+palme

The documentary about the Swedish involvement in South Africa is also fascinating, but not specifically about Palme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Ah8HCRcrQ

Re: Who killed Olof Palme?

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Post by codr7 »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #21
olivermarks wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By 'problem' do you mean people not accepting the official narrative and having a go at 'critical thinking'? I wouldn't see that as a problem, I'd see that as a free society

Sure, it's a "free society" where everyone gets to prove the usefulness of vaccines for themselves, from first principle, because the medical community is corrupt and cannot be trusted. Where people actually start to believe in a "flat earth", and not just as a parody of conspiracy theories, and fly to New Zealand for their yearly meeting (from both Europe and the US, in opposite directions, go figure). Yeah, that is…

Right, lets pour another bucket of hatred and shame on those who don't feel like lining up to allow profit-addicted psychopaths to inject their latest cocktails straight into the bloodstream.

Haven't they proven with the opioid cluster fuck how far they can be trusted? Anything can be, and has been bought in this society. Once enough money accumulates, democracy and science don't mean shit any more.

Blind faith was always the issue, not religion or whatever. The difference between you and the people you're so afraid of is that they actually bothered to use their brains rather than parroting whatever bullshit they were programmed with and throwing rocks at anyone who disagrees. Most likely, they were you at some point.

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