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Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard of Plex?

Plex doesn't convert files for storage on a portable device, nor does it replaygain. It also has a terrible music selector interface and doesn't firewall punch. Streaming is only part of the issue. I'm talking about the whole lifecycle, from backed up lossless to lossy-on-device in whatever format, or to a streaming service that integrates with your player devices, all from a single source of truth that you control 1…

I know it does encoding/decoding for video at least; I don't know how its music features compare.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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I used to be a serious CD holdout, but then a few things happened that changed things for me.

Storage

Look, I'm in my late 40s. I've been buying music on CD since I was about 17. I have LOTS. It's not really sustainable, so when iTunes went DRM-free, I started buying the odd thing there.

I live in a place with a proper record store, so I still buy things there, too, but mostly stuff I know I really want the best experience out of. Random music that I kinda know I'll tire of and probably never revisit, though? Definitely iTunes.

Fucking Sync.

I'm in the Apple ecosystem, because this works best for me and my family, but one thing they never really sorted before Apple Music was whole-family-uses-same-library. It was awkward and vexing, especially to the non-technical members of the household, and so (e.g.) my wife ended up just not really having music with her on her phone.

That's annoying. Plus, even for someone like me, it was annoying that if I bought a CD (or a vinyl record with a download code), getting that music on my phone was a hassle.

So when Apple Music happened, I eventually signed up, and holy cow I haven't really looked back.

What's great about it for my wife is that she never has to bother plugging her phone into a computer to get music at all. She can just add stuff on the fly, from Apple Music. Maybe it's stuff we own already, but that wasn't on the phone yet. Maybe it's new stuff she wants. Doesn't matter; still easy.

We still buy records and CDs from our local shop, too -- mostly the same algorithm, between "I want this forever" and "this is probably transient" -- but overall we're both listening to MORE music than we did before. I mean, think about it: I'm paying Apple basically the cost of a CD per month for our family account, but the world is literally our oyster. MANY times since I signed up I've found myself reading a review of some album somewhere, and wanted to hear it. Before, I'd have to make a note to go find it online somewhere, or find a Youtube clip, or whatever. Now I can just have it, almost immediately, on my preferred device and through good headphones. It's pretty great.

Now, I'm really only willing to do this because the vendor is Apple, and I trust them with my listening habit data. I wouldn't trust an ad-driven provider AT ALL, which is why I never signed up for Pandora or Spotify or whatever. But with Apple, all this is easy, and I'm not concerned about the privacy implications.

I still have a shitload of CDs and vinyl, though. It used to be that "hey, pick a record" was a fun party game, because so few folks have big record collections. Now CD has picked up some of that novelty, too, and people enjoy browsing through the CD stacks when we entertain. But that's all a special corner case. ;)

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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You know what else doesn't have ads, privacy terrors, and algorithms? Vinyl. But really, I think the pleasure of vinyl is the pleasure of being fully engaged in the act of listening. The privacy is the privacy of your own experience.

There's definitely something intentional about picking a record and dropping the needle. We enjoy that.

You can get lots of the same experience with CD, too, though.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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I buy CDs occasionally and rip them, but it's 2019, there's no real need to amass a CD collection (unless you want to). For most of my needs, spotify works out. I don't mind paying $10/mo since I use the offline listening so much. I only buy and rip CDs for my own collection if I -really- like that album or a song on it, and a web download isn't available. Occasionally spotify doesn't have a very specific version of…

> I don't buy through itunes because of drm iTunes does not have DRM and is the only reason i buy albums through them: after i download the album, i have a bunch of m4a files i can play with any player i want, in any device i want and store on my own external drive.

It's amazing to me that people still think iTunes music has DRM.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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I've got all my music ripped to FLAC, sitting on my file server, a little N40L microserver with 8tb mirrored storage (my music takes about 300gb total). On the server, I've got a script that uses ffmpeg to convert from flac to whatever format I want (currently aac and mp3, which my player devices support). The script also applies replaygain to keep the volume consistent. I run the script once and it processes the who…

"I've got all my music ripped to FLAC"

And that's why I won't do it, because there's no way I can rip all my cds, let alone my vinyls... it takes way too much time.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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Instead or privacy terrors you have other terrors like wondering if the CD will even play, especially if you've listened to it a lot over 5+ years, even with good care. I'm surprised the article doesn't cover a more relevant approach like just playing local mp3s from your computer. You get the same no ads, no privacy issues, no algorithms but you have the added benefit of not having to lug around a binder of CDs to p…

I rip my CDs, store them on my NAS and then burn them back on a CD for playing in my car. The original stays in a closet in case my NAS ever dies and the burnt copy in my car lives as long as it lives, given the hot Florida sun.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can not find the songs only alternate versions from other people who made a cover version of the song. Try some jazz like Coltrane or Miles Davis. It seems they never stoped issuing albums - remastered, Coltrane for lovers, Miles for cooking. It is next to impossible to find original album or remastered original. Yesterday on Youtube Music oldest Coltrane album was from 2015.

> Coltrane for lovers, Miles for cooking. And programming?

Holdsworth works for programming.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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I buy CDs occasionally and rip them, but it's 2019, there's no real need to amass a CD collection (unless you want to). For most of my needs, spotify works out. I don't mind paying $10/mo since I use the offline listening so much. I only buy and rip CDs for my own collection if I -really- like that album or a song on it, and a web download isn't available. Occasionally spotify doesn't have a very specific version of…

I think CDs are still a very good option when you think about how you intend to maintain your digital collection in the next 30 years. CDs I bought in the early 90s are there, in a box. I'd like to see people's iTunes collections in 30 years... Yes, I know that CDs have a shelf-life and that real long term storage would involve backing them up. But CDs still seem a better option than the current alternatives. Edit: T…

>The issue even with a DRM-free local iTunes library is: how are people going to keep that over 30 years?

Parts of my MP3 library are 20 years old. Why do you think keeping them spinning a few more decades will be any harder?

>But for a local iTunes library you need IT admin skills to manage it, to back it up, to transfer it from one machine to the next, perhaps to understand that you can access the music without iTunes, etc. The vast majority of the public don't know how to do that.

Honestly, I think that's why streaming is taking over. Apple's approach to solving the sync problem was to rethink the whole paradigm, and so we got Apple Music instead of smarter iPhone/iPod sync. Sure, they get service revenue in the bargain, but to me it seems like an easy play.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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I've got all my music ripped to FLAC, sitting on my file server, a little N40L microserver with 8tb mirrored storage (my music takes about 300gb total). On the server, I've got a script that uses ffmpeg to convert from flac to whatever format I want (currently aac and mp3, which my player devices support). The script also applies replaygain to keep the volume consistent. I run the script once and it processes the who…

Slightly of-topic but how do you discover new music to listen to?

RSS feed of music review blogs. Works well enough.
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