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Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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I honestly prefer Spotify. The reality is that I have 1014 songs on my playlist at the time of writing, and it sets me back the equivalent of about $5 PM (Converted from ZAR), and I get to be picky about what I listen to frequently. In an album from someone, odds are that I might like 2 of the songs at most, so buying a CD for only 2 songs is a pointless activity for me.

This means that to collect 1000 songs that I like on CD I'll have to buy 500 CDS total. That's a lot of money.

I also enjoy being able to mix up my music and not having to swap out discs when I get tired of an artist. I understand privacy is an issue for some, but I don't really care if Spotify collects the data of who I listen to, it only improves their algorithm and makes my music discoveries easier.

The reality is that you're always connected to the internet, and even if you listen to CDs on your computer the media player is still collecting your data and behaviour.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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Any recommendations for music stores which sell mp3's? I ordered Nokia 8110 4G and ditch my smartphone once it arrives. I think it only supports mp3's so I need to start buying albums and not rely on Spotify.

Good question. When I recently wanted to buy an album as plain MP3 download, I was surprised there was only Google Music and Amazon (and iTunes, though it's a hassle with the terrible iTunes app) left.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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No privacy terrors? What short memories we have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

I came here to mention exactly this and am glad to see it at the top.

I, as a teenager bought a Sony BMG album with this rootkit.

At the time I didn't own a standalone music player, just my PC. I had a nice Creative sound card and some decent speakers, and an appreciation for audio quality.

To my surprise I found that the Sony album prevented you from playing back anything but some low-quality 128Kb MP3s stored in that data portion of the Disc if using a PC and there was zero chance I was allowing their crapware onto my machine.

I contacted them and they sent me out a replacement disc without the root-kit data rubbish but only upon me first posting back my own disc, without its case no less.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have purchased some albums in the past on itunes and discovered with disgust that they had DRM. They were only playable on itunes. I returned them (a not very user-friendly process). I have googled it a bit and it seems that DRM is not used any more on iTunes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay#iTunes_Store_DRM_chan...

2009. That’s when the DRM was removed. 10 years ago.

A good lesson for anyone considering user unfriendly features.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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I buy CDs occasionally and rip them, but it's 2019, there's no real need to amass a CD collection (unless you want to). For most of my needs, spotify works out. I don't mind paying $10/mo since I use the offline listening so much. I only buy and rip CDs for my own collection if I -really- like that album or a song on it, and a web download isn't available. Occasionally spotify doesn't have a very specific version of…

While we're on the topic of prog, Spotify also has nothing by Henry Cow or Fred Frith in general, which combined with the lack of King Crimson is a dealbreaker for me.

Apple Music has a whole bunch of Henry Cow. No King Crimson though.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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What bugs me is that quite a lot of things are not available. I ripped my entire CD collection and uploaded into Google Music (not sure if that feature still exists). I have all this music available but I can not find it on other peoples google music. So if I share a song, they get an error. Most of this music is nothing special and quite mainstream but if I search on other peoples devices I can not find the songs on…

> I can not find the songs only alternate versions from other people who made a cover version of the song.

Try some jazz like Coltrane or Miles Davis. It seems they never stoped issuing albums - remastered, Coltrane for lovers, Miles for cooking.

It is next to impossible to find original album or remastered original.

Yesterday on Youtube Music oldest Coltrane album was from 2015.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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No privacy terrors? What short memories we have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

A standard Red Book audio CD cannot install malware to your system. It was the data CD with music that Sony shipped made it possible.

This is why, I, sometimes a CD buyer, believe all listeners of Audio CD should try maintaining the status quo of CD, as defined by the Red Book, and resist/boycott any attempt by the industry to "make a better CD" (e.g. SACD, Audio DVD, Audio Bluray), or "add more functionalities" to the existing CD standards.

Technologically, I would be happy to see a Doubly 5.1 Bluray Audio CD playing at living room from my surrounding speakers (better channel separation allows improvements of sound reproduction even on speakers of moderate quality), or CDs with real filesystem and error correction (an Audio CD by its original design, only streams music in real time, as if it's a digital LP track. There is no way to even know if the data you've just read from the disc is correct or not [0]), or a FLAC-encoded stereo CD (it would allow 30% more songs to be recorded on a single CD).

However, I'd better to live without them, as history has shown: all the newer standards would definitely be more "consumer-unfriendly" at best (go to any AV forum, and see the compatibility issues caused by HDCP [1] for example...), and malware at worst. The Audio CD, even with its historical limitations, is good enough, it plays lossless music with 44100 kHz sampling rate, and it did/does this job well.

Also, you may have noticed the recent renaissance of LP discs, and some LP lovers' arguments of how analog has better sound quality. While I don't believe those arguments are persuasive, I'm highly supportive of the LP industry for the same reason - you cannot install malware on a LP disc.

[0] Why I Ripped the Same CD 300 Times

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17649374

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1689823

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

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post #2

I buy CDs occasionally and rip them, but it's 2019, there's no real need to amass a CD collection (unless you want to). For most of my needs, spotify works out. I don't mind paying $10/mo since I use the offline listening so much. I only buy and rip CDs for my own collection if I -really- like that album or a song on it, and a web download isn't available. Occasionally spotify doesn't have a very specific version of…

Just wondering how you manage Spotify + your own music collection. Is there an app that can play both Spotify and imported files and present them in a single UI? At the moment I can’t enjoy anything that’s not on Spotify simply because I wouldn’t be able to listen to them really. I have hours of music on Spotify playlists and I would only need maybe a dozen of songs that aren’t on there, so manually switching apps fo…

The Sonos app does that for you. Likely their implementation of Spotify is not as slick as the native Spotify app, but you can for instance search for songs and see results from Spotify mixed with results from your local collection.

Re: Why play a music CD? No ads, no privacy terrors, no algorithms

#39

No privacy terrors? What short memories we have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

I came here to mention exactly this and am glad to see it at the top. I, as a teenager bought a Sony BMG album with this rootkit. At the time I didn't own a standalone music player, just my PC. I had a nice Creative sound card and some decent speakers, and an appreciation for audio quality. To my surprise I found that the Sony album prevented you from playing back anything but some low-quality 128Kb MP3s stored in th…

wasn't it a thing, that you could bypass this by holding shift (to disable autoplay) when inserting the disc?
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