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An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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Re: An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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If you were emperor of the world, I would implore you to finance a multibillion dollar project to measure the gravitational constant to higher percision so that we could move to units that actually make sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

Shpx, gung'f n shpxvat terng vqrn.

I have been exposed.

Re: An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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For the next revision: remove the mole from the SI. It's completely pointless. A number is not a unit! Instead replace it by the bit, the fundamental unit of information.

How do you imagine that? And what has the bit to do with it?

Re: An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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This article sounds like it got written by a scientist but got butchered through a PR department. It talks about the "Mass of a photon" and weighing them directly, rather than the energy-equivalent mass, which is presumably what they are intending to talk about?

As the article correctly states, photons have a finite mass that could in principle be measured by putting an optical cavity on a scale.

I know that zero is a finite number, but since the photon is a massless particle, wouldn't it be impossible to get a kilogram worth of photons bouncing around in an optical cavity?

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Defining a unit of weight in terms of a unit of time and a unit of length. Explain that to your grandma! :)

Your grandma might be a physicist, and she'll explain it to you ;)

she's not

Re: An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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How about we keep the current name and use it as a basis for prefixing? gram -> millikilogram milligram -> microkilogram metric ton -> kilokilogram ...never mind.

It's almost a crime that a metric ton isn't called a "megagram". Aside, are the mega and giga prefixes ever used for anything except bits and bytes? (Edit: OK, OK. I forgot about megaohms, megahertz, megawatts. Also megapixels and Megadeth.)

> and Megadeth.)

Laughed at that one.

Re: An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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As the article correctly states, photons have a finite mass that could in principle be measured by putting an optical cavity on a scale.

I know that zero is a finite number, but since the photon is a massless particle, wouldn't it be impossible to get a kilogram worth of photons bouncing around in an optical cavity?

No, it’s entirely possible in principle. If you build a perfect optical cavity, weigh it, pump a bunch of light in, and weigh it again, you’ll find that the weight went up by ghf/c^2 summed over each photon added to the cavity. Divide by g and you get the sum of the masses of the photons. 1 kg of photons would be enough to destroy your lab and the rest of your city, so only a very advanced civilization would ever do the experiment on this scale.

Photons indeed have no rest mass, but it’s impossible to ever find a photon at rest unless you yourself have no rest mass, in which case you also have no ability to do experiments.

Re: An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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For the next revision: remove the mole from the SI. It's completely pointless. A number is not a unit! Instead replace it by the bit, the fundamental unit of information.

Dear Lord no, the "mole removal" jokes in mainstream press would be too much.

Re: An old artifact kept in a vault outside Paris is no longer the standard kilogram

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the article correctly states, photons have a finite mass that could in principle be measured by putting an optical cavity on a scale.

I know that zero is a finite number, but since the photon is a massless particle, wouldn't it be impossible to get a kilogram worth of photons bouncing around in an optical cavity?

Only in practical terms, as that’s c^2 joules of photons, which is roughly equivalent to the Tsar Bomba detonation.
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