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Coca-Cola most common source of packaging pollution on UK beaches: study

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Re: Coca-Cola most common source of packaging pollution on UK beaches: study

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amatecha wrote: post #25
m3nu wrote: post #16

Just spent 2 weeks on Sabah, Borneo. Even the very remote beaches hours away from large human settlements are littered with plastic bottles and grocery bags. While diving you often see bags floating around. Both, on the surface and below. Ironically even the island hopping boat carried a tray of bottled water for anyone to take. Not sure what % of bottles gets left behind at the end of the day. Maybe a small deposit…

That already exists in many places! Here in BC there's regulation around recyclables and minimum deposit pricing: http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/free... One interesting result of this program is you may find people scrounging around neighbourhoods and trash cans to collect the recyclables so they can collect the deposit on them :)

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Re: Coca-Cola most common source of packaging pollution on UK beaches: study

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Post by Quenty »

siedes wrote: post #55
jerrysievert wrote: post #38

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oregon has 90% redemption rate[1] at 10 cents per bottle, so there is obviously some incentive. 1. https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-bottle-deposit-redem...

Incentive for who though? For the homeless and very poor, who probably will not even be the ones purchasing those bottles(at least at the same rate as those in higher economic classes) in the first place? We need to make it worth it for the good number of consumers who buy these things, so that they don't litter in the first place and put more thought about those $0.50-$1.00 per bottle they're tossing out. Yes, this…

It’s a psychological effect. Same reason why Whole Foods charged $0.25 to get a cart, and then returned you the money. People tend to return the carts after paying the money.

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Post by maxxxxx »

tapland wrote: post #19
maxxxxx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s actually something I have been thinking about. How do they get so much sugar into a drink? You could never produce something drinkable with this amount of sugar.

Sugar is very soluble? It's not at all hard and as prviously stated, fruit juices contain at least as much sugars naturally.

From my calculations a can of coke has 12 teaspoons of sugar. That seems almost undrinkably sweet.

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Post by jdietrich »

liamkinne wrote: post #22
AYBABTME wrote: post #12

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If you develop an app, and everybody using your app always ends up deleting their data by clicking on the wrong button, and then people complain that your app loses data... ...in the end, the users are wrong in the moment, but the real problem is that your app allows a behavior that has negative outcomes, and the proper fix isn't to educate people, but to make it impossible for people to click that delete button so e…

Your design example doesn't apply because the end user in this case isn't directly effected by their negligence. There is clear evidence that littering is societal. See how clean Japanese cities are despite almost everything being wrapped in plastic.

You won't even see many cigarette butts in Japan, because smokers carry a pocket ashtray.

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Post by reaperducer »

DrOctagon wrote: post #54

Why can't we just go to 100% aluminium for beverage packaging? The technology and supply chains etc. are already in place.

I'm OK with this. Or even glass.

According to the interwebs, it wasn't until the 1960's that plastic bottles became popular in the United States, but I don't remember them until the early 80's.

Before then, soda always came in cans with pull-tabs that would slice your toes open at the beach.

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Post by reaperducer »

tapland wrote: post #19
maxxxxx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s actually something I have been thinking about. How do they get so much sugar into a drink? You could never produce something drinkable with this amount of sugar.

Sugar is very soluble? It's not at all hard and as prviously stated, fruit juices contain at least as much sugars naturally.

Sugar is very soluble?

This is true. That's why in baking, sugar is considered a liquid, not a solid.

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Post by koube »

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #50

Thank goodness. Finally, somebody with some clout is pointing fingers at the largest contributor to garbage... the corporations who produce it. I live in Canada and Tim Horton's cups literally litter every street corner in every big city in our country. I have always thought that they should be responsible for the cleanup of those cups. It is absolutely their fault that their customers are throwing their products ont…

I don't think corporations are solely to blame. In Japan they use a lot of plastic packaging[0], and have a lack of public rubbish bins[1], yet they don't litter[2]. Can we not hold customers accountable as well for not disposing of their garbage properly, as they do in Japan?

[0]: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd573w/japans-excessive-p...

[1]: https://jpninfo.com/54373

[2]: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/why-japanese-dont-lit...

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Post by reaperducer »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #51
tapland wrote: post #19

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Sugar is very soluble? It's not at all hard and as prviously stated, fruit juices contain at least as much sugars naturally.

In the US we get our sugar from high fructose corn syrup unless we spend more to buy the imported Mexican Coke that's made with real cane sugar.

In the US we get our sugar from high fructose corn syrup unless we spend more to buy the imported Mexican Coke that's made with real cane sugar.

When I lived in Seattle, I always found it amusing that soccer moms would brag about buying Mexican Coke at Whole Foods like it was something special. They could just drive an hour north and buy Canadian Coke, which is also made with sugar, for half the price!

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Post by p1necone »

14 wrote: post #48
TecoAndJix wrote: post #41

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The issue with that is it would be cheaper to produce counterfeit bottles, breaking the entire system

Oh but we could put each one on the blockchain!

You jest, but that's not far from a good idea. You obviously don't need a blockchain, but you could do something like printing a UID on each bottle and scanning them before giving the refunds.

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Post by PetahNZ »

koube wrote: post #67
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #50

Thank goodness. Finally, somebody with some clout is pointing fingers at the largest contributor to garbage... the corporations who produce it. I live in Canada and Tim Horton's cups literally litter every street corner in every big city in our country. I have always thought that they should be responsible for the cleanup of those cups. It is absolutely their fault that their customers are throwing their products ont…

I don't think corporations are solely to blame. In Japan they use a lot of plastic packaging[0], and have a lack of public rubbish bins[1], yet they don't litter[2]. Can we not hold customers accountable as well for not disposing of their garbage properly, as they do in Japan? [0]: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd573w/japans-excessive-p... [1]: https://jpninfo.com/54373 [2]: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/0…

They also fine you up to $5,000 and give you community service if you litter.
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