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Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by camjohnson26 »

sushisushisushi wrote: post #56
camjohnson26 wrote: post #33

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Ok but how many engineers use React, yarn, or graphql? Facebook is still leading the way in front end development and it’s still a net positive to have that name on your resume. Their brand isn’t any more tainted than Google, Microsoft, or Amazon.

I've got good news for you. You can contribute to these projects (and put your contributions on your résumé) without having the Facebook taint. e.g.: * https://github.com/facebook/react/pulls

It’s a lot easier when you’re getting paid for your time and are surrounded by other people working on the project.

Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by matz1 »

badrequest wrote: post #6
Kinnard wrote: post #3

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Is it possible that ppl who work at facebook have ethics that merely differ from yours?

As possible as it is they have no morality at all.

Everyone has moral, it's just might be different than you.

Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by zjaffee »

jfasi wrote: post #38

I just spent three months hiring in NYC, and now that I think about it, I haven't seen a single person mention they were considering counteroffers from Facebook. For context, Facebook and Google are the two largest tech companies with a significant NYC presence. It's telling that a substantial portion of our candidates admitted to considering competing offers from Google, but literally no one was considering Facebook…

I agree with everything you've said until the last part. Google is only marginally better than fb when it comes to some of these issues of privacy. The issue people have with facebook is that it has a reputation for being a pressure cooker.

Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by hasbroslasher »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #27

Facebook's brand is tainted enough now that smart engineers don't want any of the bleedover into their personal brand that would come from working there. How many engineers, in hiring positions, do you know that have a positive opinion of FB?

I think your point about the personal aspect of work is most relevant. I personally would be mortified to work at a company that was always in the news for various scandals and generally being full of shit. Not that I'd assume anyone who works there to be full of shit - just that I wouldn't want my friends making fun of me for working for the Zuck. Facebook just isn't cool anymore in my neck of the woods and there's no social capital in using it or working there as far as I can see.

Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by [deleted] »

humanrebar wrote: post #123
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #40

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There are real signs of a moral change in this upcoming generation. I suspect a lot of people are going to be very surprised when that wave comes in and breaks.

It's a double edged sword. They seem to live in thicker bubbles. They don't seem particularly tolerant or forgiving.

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Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by camjohnson26 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #43
camjohnson26 wrote: post #33

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Ok but how many engineers use React, yarn, or graphql? Facebook is still leading the way in front end development and it’s still a net positive to have that name on your resume. Their brand isn’t any more tainted than Google, Microsoft, or Amazon.

Open source libraries like React should not be attributed to companies. It just so happened that Jordan Walke worked for FB when he wrote the library. Its not like any of these companies specifically target creation of such tools as part of their business goals.

Those companies have teams that maintain them and they get tons of work done internally before they’re released. Microsoft has been great for Typescript just because of the brand that’s behind it and the teams that get paid to maintain it. React is the same way.

Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by lallysingh »

lallysingh wrote: post #15
bognition wrote: post #5

Honestly I think its more than just that, Facebook is no longer the cool start up building the world's favorite website. They're a multi-national advertising mega corp, and TBH most people just don't want to work there.

Is anyone?

I can only think of SpaceX, but they're not a website.

Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by [deleted] »

elorant wrote: post #103
mrtksn wrote: post #64

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>google is a bigger concern for privacy and personal liberty Big claim. Any proofs? With Facebook, what annoyed me was that they set up internal teams to help with political candidates social media campaigns - no matter who the candidates are. Extremely worrisome if you prefer to have people elected through a democratic process that is based on the discussion. This is not like understanding what people want or how do…

Just look at the amount of personal information Google knows/records about you. Your search history, web stats through Chrome, location history through Android, with whom you exchange emails if you're using GMail, which sites you visit and how long you stay on them through Google Analytics, probably online purchases with a combination of AdSense/AdWords & Analytics, everything you watch on YouTube etc. They definitel…

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Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by hinkley »

zjaffee wrote: post #133
jfasi wrote: post #38

I just spent three months hiring in NYC, and now that I think about it, I haven't seen a single person mention they were considering counteroffers from Facebook. For context, Facebook and Google are the two largest tech companies with a significant NYC presence. It's telling that a substantial portion of our candidates admitted to considering competing offers from Google, but literally no one was considering Facebook…

I agree with everything you've said until the last part. Google is only marginally better than fb when it comes to some of these issues of privacy. The issue people have with facebook is that it has a reputation for being a pressure cooker.

In other words, Facebook now has no redeeming qualities.

I've gotten a bunch of pings from them over the last few months, and I just chuckle, say "hahahano", delete it and move on. I don't know if it's a coincidence that the pings happened after the scandal or if they have gotten into 'look under every rock' mode.

Re: Facebook has struggled to hire talent since the Cambridge Analytica scandal

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Post by hinkley »

nostrademons wrote: post #24
allthecybers wrote: post #9

This is not a surprising headline. If you have values about privacy, decency, civil discourse, honesty or integrity you wouldn’t want to work there. Also, if you feel the company was collusive or willingly complicit in the dissemination of fake news and Russian propaganda efforts during our elections, it’d be a big fat “no” to working there. And it’s not just our democracy that is undermined by FB. There’s a litany o…

> I don't think there is any company in the FAANG that is an altruistic enterprise I feel like Google started that way, and then lost its way sometime between 2009-2012. Projects like Google Scholar, Google Books, Google Summer of Code, Google Reader, Google Open Source, Google.org, and pulling out of China didn't really have much of a business justification, but were simply something good that they could do. Unfortu…

Google never figured out how to make serious bank outside of the marketing department.

The fact that they kept the wheels on as long as they did, I gotta give them some respect for that. But they were always destined to end up being amoral at best and a cesspool at worst.

If you are starting a company and think you want to be proud of it for the rest of your life, sell a real product, not your users.

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