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Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by dang »

unknownkadath wrote: post #105
TimTheTinker wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of children dying in the womb = crickets. (or hot debate, depending on your country) I know that's a controversial issue. No offense intended toward any individuals - but this is my viewpoint.

See, here's the thing: a neural tube with the same number of neurons as C. elegans isn't the same thing as a human being. I can see how some folks can get confused, though.

Please don't break the site guidelines by taking a thread further into flamewar, regardless of how provocative some other comment was. TimTheTinker shouldn't have gone there, but you fed it with at least 10 flamewar comments, and that's egregious. Regardless of strongly you feel about choice, nothing good could possibly come out of what you did here, and meanwhile it damages the commons, which is already fragile.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by dang »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #58
umvi wrote: post #21

You're right - anything that provokes fear or outrage gets instant attention. Everything else doesn't. North Korea imprisoning a single idiot American who crossed the border = national dialogue because it's outrageous School shooting where 3 people die = national dialogue on gun control because it's outrageous. DUI accident that kills a family of 5 = small blurb in local news because it's not outrageous (even if it s…

Millions of children dying in the womb = crickets. (or hot debate, depending on your country) I know that's a controversial issue. No offense intended toward any individuals - but this is my viewpoint.

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

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Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by dang »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #252
unknownkadath wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All those same things apply to house flies. Look, you believe what you believe because a priest or a guy wearing khakis and a sports jacket named "Pastor Skip" told you so. Don't pretend that your opinion came from anywhere else, or that all of the tortured logic in your post is anything other than a post facto justifiction of that religious opinion.

What do you have against unborn babies? I’m interested to hear your side of the argument. ... so far, it’s sounding eerily like reasons people used to use for enslaving Africans in the 18th century.

This is off topic and unacceptable on HN. Regardless of how strongly you feel about the unborn, no internet flamewar is going to improve or resolve anything, ever say anything new on the topic, or ever make any new connections between people. All you're doing is helping to destroy this site, which is fragile enough as it is. Please stop.

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Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by dang »

umvi wrote: post #21

You're right - anything that provokes fear or outrage gets instant attention. Everything else doesn't. North Korea imprisoning a single idiot American who crossed the border = national dialogue because it's outrageous School shooting where 3 people die = national dialogue on gun control because it's outrageous. DUI accident that kills a family of 5 = small blurb in local news because it's not outrageous (even if it s…

This seems to be the pivot point at which the thread went into flamewar. I'm sure you didn't intend to cause a wildfire, but combining inflammatory material with inflammatory rhetoric has that effect. So would you please not post like this to HN in the future?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19923668 and marked it off topic.

Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by dang »

whyaduck wrote: post #106
TimTheTinker wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of children dying in the womb = crickets. (or hot debate, depending on your country) I know that's a controversial issue. No offense intended toward any individuals - but this is my viewpoint.

There's one thing I guarantee you'll never find in a womb: a child.

Please don't, regardless of whether the other person started it or did worse.

Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by justinator »

bad_good_guy wrote: post #216
justinator wrote: post #198

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Of course, part of the reason for so many kids is to minimize the percentage of my family that would be lost if one did die. I think I just read the most insane sentence I'll read all year.

How is it insane when this is the historic reason behind large families?

I'm not touching, "but it's historical!", because that's a problematic idea in of itself. Lots of things are, "historical", but don't make sense in the modern world.

Say you had two kids, and you lost both. One way to think of it is your lost all the children you ever had. Fine.

Say you had a DOZEN kids, and you lost six of them. Same thinking as above, you've lost half the children you ever had. Ok, but you still lost six kids!. Six kids have to go through life knowing they have lost six siblings. Having that somehow be better is pure insanity. Or at the very least the utmost self-centered thing I've ever heard of - you're hoping that the loss off 6 out of 12 kids is somewhat less of an impact on yourself when compared to losing two kids?

These are human beings, not cupcakes you're bringing to a picnic. If you brought two cupcakes, and hoping to have one yourself, but both were eaten before you could have your own cupcake, that stinks - but you're just out of a cupcake. Then yeah: bring a dozen cupcakes to share, and have yourself your own cupcake.

Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by dang »

XaoDaoCaoCao wrote: post #135
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #109

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Our gun industry produces more than 11 million guns a year. Sure, many of those wind up in Mexico and Central America via the drug trade, but that's still a lot of supply being sustained through the system. Guns wear out, simply cutting production would do a lot to reduce the number of guns in the system (outlaw or not).

Even with our vast gun supply, the US one of the safest nations on Earth. Half of our homicides are committed by a particular minority of the population which, when removed from the picture, makes it really stark how "well behaved" a majority of Americans are in comparison to the number of guns.

Racewar comments are unacceptable here and will get you banned, so please don't.

Also, accounts that use HN primarily for political or ideological battle eventually get banned here, and when people keep doing that, we eventually ban their main account as well. Why? Because HN is subject to all sorts of forces tearing it apart, and those forces win by default, so we have to protect it. If you'd review the site guidelines and take that spirit to heart and help protect it, we'd be grateful—and it's in your interests to do so, since that's the only way HN stays interesting in the long run.

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Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by TimTheTinker »

dang wrote: post #263
TimTheTinker wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you have against unborn babies? I’m interested to hear your side of the argument. ... so far, it’s sounding eerily like reasons people used to use for enslaving Africans in the 18th century.

This is off topic and unacceptable on HN. Regardless of how strongly you feel about the unborn, no internet flamewar is going to improve or resolve anything, ever say anything new on the topic, or ever make any new connections between people. All you're doing is helping to destroy this site, which is fragile enough as it is. Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

My apologies, Dan. Thanks.

Re: Making Playgrounds a Little More Dangerous

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Post by ip26 »

gumby wrote: post #257
ip26 wrote: post #241

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Hacksaws & kids' glue guns are good choices. Kid's glue guns can still burn but not nearly as bad as a commercial gun, and hacksaws can still cut skin but nothing like a sharp ripsaw. If the kid gets a burn or a cut they can learn & aren't losing a limb in the process.

They could remove digits and eyes but I never saw it happen.

Well, you have to be trying pretty hard to remove a digit with a hacksaw. Speaking in comparative terms, I accidentally cut halfway through a digit in one gentle stroke with a hatchet.

It's a gristly topic and maybe what I'm saying is obvious. I just hope nobody in the pro-risk camp takes the message too far.

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