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Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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Yup, they've set it up so money can flow within their own system and their own economy can prosper, rather than money feeding out to Google or Facebook. Quality of life in China has exploded massively, and things like restaurant prices are reaching American prices, which is insane going back ten years. And they remix the ideas of western tech and often improve upon it. WeChat is orders of magnitude more convenient th…

I would just like to say that contactless chip cards are ubiquitous, do not require a battery, are more secure (no reliance on QR codes) and have been around for years in the West.

My contactless card works nowhere outside my small home country. Meanwhile Chinese tourists are there seamlessly buying food from 7/11 with alipay whole I go through the full pin and card thing.

As the other reply says too, any shop can set this up easily. I challenge you to take contactless payments in your home country, it's nothing like simply getting a qr payment and involves merchant banking.

I've seen tiny remote rural village stores that would never even imagine having a visa PoS terminal with big wechat payment signs out front.

Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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Yup, they've set it up so money can flow within their own system and their own economy can prosper, rather than money feeding out to Google or Facebook. Quality of life in China has exploded massively, and things like restaurant prices are reaching American prices, which is insane going back ten years. And they remix the ideas of western tech and often improve upon it. WeChat is orders of magnitude more convenient th…

WeChat is orders of magnitude more convenient than what the US has to offer. Everything is centralized and integrated, what Google tries to do, but adopted everywhere Fascism has it's good points! Seriously though, WePay isn't innovation - we could have that right now in the West. Citibank could make an app that would allow peer-to-peer money transfers with QR codes the way WePay works. It would be smooth and easy. Y…

The US is is a rule-OF-law country, China is rule-BY-law. The difference is that in rule-OF-law, the government is subject to the law. In rule-BY-law, the law is the tool the government uses to rule (dominate), that is, rule by means of law. It may sound nitpicky, but it’s a rather big difference.

Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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It would be so much easier to accept China's rise if they weren’t pulling a North Korea and imprisoning a million minorities with dystopian technology solutions. I don’t think China realized how that policy is going to backfire in terms of their relationship with the West. We want to see countries with individual rights rise, not authoritarians.

So, I'm not making a value judgement of what's going on but I always cringe when I see complicated geopolitical actions being reduced to one line talking points on HN. Of course it is actually much more nuanced in reality.

These observations about imprisoning minorities always fail to include information about past terrorist attacks and militant activity in the region. Most of the people in the reeducation centers were sent there for things such as spreading Islamic propaganda glorifying suicide bombings.The reality of the situation is more nuanced than the depiction by western media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China

In December 2016 in Xinjiang, Islamic militants drove a vehicle into a yard at the county Communist party offices and set off a bomb but were all shot dead. Three people were wounded and one other died.

In July 2011, At least 18 people died in a series of alleged terrorist attacks in the city of Kashgar. According to state-run media accounts, the violence began when two Uyghur men hijacked a truck, ran it into a crowded street, and started stabbing people, killing six. The attack ended when the assailants were overpowered by the crowd, which killed one attacker. On the second day, state media reported that a "group of armed terrorists" stormed a restaurant, killed the owner and a waiter, and set it ablaze. They then proceeded to indiscriminately kill four more civilians. Armed clashes then reportedly ensured, ending with police capturing or killing the attackers. The Turkistan Islamic Party later claimed responsibility for the attack. One of the suspects appeared in a TIP video training in Pakistan.

In March 2015 in Guangzhou, three ethnic Uyghur assailants with long knives attacked civilians at Guangzhou train station, 13 injured.

In November 2014 in Xinjian, militants with knives and explosives attacked civilians, 15 dead and 14 injured. 14 of the 15 deaths were attackers

In May 2014 in Ürümqi, Xinjiang, Two sport utility vehicles (SUVs) carrying five assailants were driven into a busy street market in Ürümqi. Up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers from the windows of the SUVs. The SUVs crashed into shoppers then collided with each other and exploded. 43 people were killed, including 4 of the assailants, and more than 90 wounded.

There are many more. Again, I'm not making of value judgement here but I think everyone should think critically and really understand what's going on from multiple points of view.

Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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I think it is very polarised topic. I noticed a pattern few month ago: you have a lot of bashing during East coast morning hours, followed by much more conciliatory toned wave of comments few hours after, when East coast wakes up.

So it's Europe/Africa/Asia that are bashing China, then the Americans come in later?

I'd say the difference in attitudes in between US East and West coast

Pfff my, a typo: last is West coast

Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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WeChat is orders of magnitude more convenient than what the US has to offer. Everything is centralized and integrated, what Google tries to do, but adopted everywhere Fascism has it's good points! Seriously though, WePay isn't innovation - we could have that right now in the West. Citibank could make an app that would allow peer-to-peer money transfers with QR codes the way WePay works. It would be smooth and easy. Y…

The US is is a rule-OF-law country, China is rule-BY-law. The difference is that in rule-OF-law, the government is subject to the law. In rule-BY-law, the law is the tool the government uses to rule (dominate), that is, rule by means of law. It may sound nitpicky, but it’s a rather big difference.

It's not nit-picking - that's very interesting. Thanks for the correction.

Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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I have found criticism of China gets downvotes without a lot of responding comments.

Toxic (in this case racist) behavior like this is starting to become common enough that I wish mods would step in with a friendly reminder.

For the last time, it's not racist to question a Nation's decisions just because they have a homogeneous population. Holy hell.

Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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As someone who watches the very unusual moderation of China-critical comments on HN (+3 one moment, -3 a few hours later) I'm wary of a political piece praising China hitting #1 on HN. I also don't see the value of Singapore - which is openly anti democratic ( https://www.huffpost.com/entry/singapore-challenges-democrac... ) providing advice here - as the same concerns about authoritarian corruption that apply to Chi…

I worked in Singapore in 2016 and in my exploration of various neighborhoods I did not see abject squalor, as seen in East LA, West Chicago, etc. people seemed employed and happy. BTW, your comment on moderation is interesting.

Usually any claim of "poverty doesn't exist here" is not going to be very close to being accurate.

https://borgenproject.org/top-10-facts-about-poverty-in-sing...

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They aren't stopping other countries doing the same. The world might be a better place if everyone stole and remixed IP

They aren't stopping other countries from doing the same yet . And the reason for that is that they are still the underdog so it makes sense to turn a blind eye to their domestic industries violating American IP laws. Just like it makes sense for the US to enact and attempt to enforce restrictive IP laws on a global scale. Make no mistake once China ascends they will enforce their will on the world just like the US h…

America is the first mover on DRM, and there is no American company that will let me pay for a movie and download an MP4 -- I have to be logged in and stream it (some services let you download it but then disable playing after 48 hours)

Is there a similar situation in China? My sense was that the culture was much less restrictive -- all is fair, it's not worth the time and money to sue someone else into oblivion.

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They aren't stopping other countries doing the same. The world might be a better place if everyone stole and remixed IP

> The world might be a better place if everyone stole and remixed IP Until it becomes unprofitable to invest in innovation

innovation comes from graduate students

everyone building out a new technology borrowed ideas freely without compensating the real innovators (of course, implementation can be the more difficult piece)

As long as governments subsidize public universities and research departments, there will exist a font of innovation

Re: Singapore Urges U.S. to Accept China's Rise, Spare Other Nations

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It would be so much easier to accept China's rise if they weren’t pulling a North Korea and imprisoning a million minorities with dystopian technology solutions. I don’t think China realized how that policy is going to backfire in terms of their relationship with the West. We want to see countries with individual rights rise, not authoritarians.

Aren’t the people they are imprisoning criminals that broke the law? For perspective, the US has 2.2 million minorities in prison.
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