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Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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Don't found your startup based on the first idea you fall in love with. Don't found your startup based on the first idea you fall in love with. Don't found your startup based on the first idea you fall in love with.

Make a list of attractive markets to play in, talk to a lot of insiders in those markets, choose three ideas out of at least 30 that you generated, put some serious work into validating their business models, then let yourself fall in love with one and spend 10 years sweating to make it a reality.

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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Some companies do technical interview great, but there are a couple things that I have noticed that always make me question if I actually want to work somewhere: - Being sent to a website to do a take home coding exercise, with a checkbox basically saying "I won't use the internet, stack overflow, or similar". I get that you need to test my knowledge, but shouldn't you care more that I know how to search for my probl…

I hate companies that act like it is a sin to use Google or Stack Overflow when coding. When I hear this BS, then I know it is clear that they have never coded themselves. I would love to meet a software engineer who truly can sit in a padded room and write code with no internet access to use for help or reference. Especially those of us that juggle multiple languages (full stack). Sometimes I know I need to run a me…

You're right about ObjC/Swift. Even though that's my line of work, I use C++ to answer questions in interviews. There's no way I'm going to remember method names for those.

I did have a Google phone screen where they asked me to live code something in Objective-C, but they gave me an existing class whose code I had to fill in and they were lenient with remembering common method names.

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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Methinks you didn't read GP correctly. They took a 2-4 hr task and let the interviewee take 4 days, not including weekends.

2-4 hours is anywhere from $100 to $800 worth of free labor depending on how the dev values their time. The GP was bragging about how generous they were in providing multiple days and weekends to finish it. How did this become acceptable practice for hiring people? Do any other industries besides tech do this?

Any industry where hiring candidates with bad fit is extremely expensive will have a long interviewing process. For the candidate there is not much difference between spending 2-4 hours at home at a time of their choosing and 2-4 hours in a first of the N rounds of on-site interviews. Except they will have to expense transport and work around their job schedule.

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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Is HN truly this bad of a bubble that everyone thinks interview tests are normal? The last time I had to do a test it was on site and I was just out of college. Most interviews just talk about the challenges of the team, my past work on similar problems, and how I solved them. I've been on the other side of the table too. It's usually easy to tell if the applicant is a quack or if they are skilled by how they talk ab…

Yeah; I think the whole "coding tests" thing is very much a Silicon Valley thing (which has of course been adopted by some non-SV companies, but its not the norm). I feel bad for HN readers who live there and that's all they know.

The best advice I've ever heard about interviewing is that you need to mentally reframe it from "I need this job" to "they need me, convince me to work here". A big part of this is building a network and finding jobs through that (which is how everyone has always found careers, mind you); when you're introduced positively through a third party the team trusts, the conversation inevitably biases more toward the team hunting you, not the other way around.

And if you can't do any of that then you should probably be happy that companies do big project coding/design interviews that give you a deep chance to show off your skills. Over half of what teams are looking for in candidates isn't the hard skills; its social aptitude, teamwork, networking, the soft skills. If you don't have a network and had to land this interview via a lowest-common-denominator recruiting page or email, then at least you can dazzle them with a great project, but you're already starting out behind.

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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Your "proper answer" is what the US tried to do in Iraq, which is now considered the perhaps biggest mistake in US history.

Iraq is in the running for the biggest mistake in US history? I have a one word rebuttal to that sentence. Slavery.

Calling slavery a mistake is very... mild. It should have its own category

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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This reminds me of a take home software engineering interview I was once given via email. Same deal, I was told about 5 hours. I’m an iOS developer, so I was expecting a pretty simple app. I opened the PDF to find not one, but three separate tasks. Completion of all three was expected, with an estimate of about two hours each. One of the tasks was to replicate Apple’s ‘Reminders’ app in its entirety, backend sync fun…

> They presented three design challenge options to pick from, with a weeks notice and advised that we should spend no more that 3–5 hours on the task (wink, wink) I guess as a programmer I'm too logical. You tell me X hours, that's all I'm going to spend. For one of my past interviews I was given a task to make a multiplayer battleship game using whatever I wanted, and was told to spend 2 hours total and they didn't…

Sets up vagrant, python, pip, reads requirements.

Oops, 2 hours.

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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https://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/05/business/the-quiet-allure... > Though David Rowe, a veteran architect of the Wharton forecasting model, has played a key role in developing the firm's econometric model, the senior staff, including Miss Eickhoff, Judith Mackey and Lucille Wu, is mostly female. Mr. Greenspan explains the gender bias with the free-market pragmatism that has become his hallmark: "I always valued men an…

Isn't this admitting that he's underpaying women? Because if he paid them as much as he would pay a man then they wouldn't be cheaper.

By hiring women he's reducing the supply of women in the market which presumably raises their value, but I do agree the more progressive approach would be to hire women for the value he would be willing to pay men

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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2-4 hours is anywhere from $100 to $800 worth of free labor depending on how the dev values their time. The GP was bragging about how generous they were in providing multiple days and weekends to finish it. How did this become acceptable practice for hiring people? Do any other industries besides tech do this?

They are asking the interviewee to complete the same task as done by an existing staff member, and compare the results, how is that "free labour"? I'm not sure where I stand on this sort of thing to be honest, my only experience of anything similar was a pre-interview task to implement a simple 10 entry LRU cache, and after getting the job I was told the only reason it was there was to weed out time wasters with next…

work is work, whether or not it gets used. arguably this is, though

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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> They presented three design challenge options to pick from, with a weeks notice and advised that we should spend no more that 3–5 hours on the task (wink, wink) I guess as a programmer I'm too logical. You tell me X hours, that's all I'm going to spend. For one of my past interviews I was given a task to make a multiplayer battleship game using whatever I wanted, and was told to spend 2 hours total and they didn't…

Sets up vagrant, python, pip, reads requirements. Oops, 2 hours.

Yeah, 2 hrs barely touch anything new in my current job, where we have a lot of boilerplater and in-house infrastructure built by the devprod team. Some companies either take those for granted or just deliberately make the bar extra high for arbitrary reasons.

Re: I turned my interview task for Google into a startup

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I am a software engineer and I was once asked during an interview at a large hedge fund to pick a side and debate why war is justified. When I pressed them about the relevance, they indicated that they often have heated debates on all manner of topics, so they wanted to see my thought process. I enjoy solving complex problems, but socio-ethical problems are way outside of my wheelhouse. I politely indicated that I di…

I love that question, and may use it, or a variant, in one of my future interviews.

My reasoning: I would like my team members to be able to contribute in all aspects of product development. This includes not only engineering decisions but also work with the product managers in identifying both potential new features as well as short comings or issues with some requirements. It also tells me how narrow or broad a particular person's knowledge base is.

Let me try to put it in other words: it may tell me if a particular frontend engineer would be open to exploring backend development? What if the language stack changes, will they be open to exploring new languages, stacks, frameworks, OS, platforms. Or, will they be limited to what they know. Will they be able to just code what they're told, or will they be able to form and express their opinion about yet unknown things.

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