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Re: The Curse of Genius

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Post by v_lisivka »

defnogenius wrote: post #53
Moxdi wrote: post #8

>We don’t yet know why this is, or whether it’s down to nature, nurture or both. One study shows that among members of Mensa in America, the rate of ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) is almost twice that diagnosed in the general population. >Among these individuals, the incidence of depression, anxiety and ADHD is higher than in the average population. how is adhd linked to gifted children?, i find this…

I'm no genius but people I've met in life have often remarked that I'm "intelligent" or "bright" or whatever and when I did the Mensa test out of curiosity I got the "top 1%" result (don't remember any more numbers than that). But I've always lacked in social skills. Such skills, that to me seem innate in other people, I've had to work to acquire (or maybe learn to fake). As though other people have a dedicated copro…

IMHO, it's problem of laaaaag. When I need to wait days/weeks/months/years/decades until your partner will finally come to same conclusion, it's hard to keep engaged. However, when I find someone which can keep conversation in realtime or near realtime, it's changes a lot.

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Post by Nasrudith »

peteretep wrote: post #47
geggam wrote: post #28

Having worked in Silicon Valley with some really really smart people. I wonder how many people think they are genius because their circle is limited? When you work in the valley for any period of time you think you might have a shot, and you might. If you get a chance to meet one of the founders of a well known valley company and have a conversation the realization that luck had nothing to do with their success shoul…

> the realization that luck had nothing to do with their success should happen Convince me.

The strong version is trivially disproveable - if they had got eaten by a dingo as an infant you would never seen any success regardless of how smart said poor illfated baby would be.

That said talent, genius, and drive certainly are factors even with priviledged upbringing like needing money for education, seed capital and ability to dedicate their timr without side jobs. While self-made men, women and nonbinaries are rare and rarer still without posers - there are some who if they were born poorer would only have had their rise delayed by a decade at most.

In contrast others who are peak "idiot heir" prove that it isn't /just/ privilege that brings success as they find ruin no matter their connections, starting wealth, and a futile attempt by their parents to teach how to perpetuate their birthright.

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Post by chadcmulligan »

dusted wrote: post #59

(disclaimer: not a genious, iq 125) grade 0, first day, found name of classmate interesting as it was the same name as a character in a tale I liked, I remarked this, was told that it was cruel to "call people names", class was encouraged to find a "bad name" for me. grade 1, teacher used to enjoy holding me in front of the class, telling "this is [name], he thinks he's special, he likes attention" and have the other…

School is very much the case of "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down", be thankful you didn't have nuns or christian brothers.

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Post by derp_dee_derp »

dusted wrote: post #59

(disclaimer: not a genious, iq 125) grade 0, first day, found name of classmate interesting as it was the same name as a character in a tale I liked, I remarked this, was told that it was cruel to "call people names", class was encouraged to find a "bad name" for me. grade 1, teacher used to enjoy holding me in front of the class, telling "this is [name], he thinks he's special, he likes attention" and have the other…

> grade 3, handed in assignment in basic, we were supposed to write a story, and I wrote a small program with arrays of words, and arrays of indexes to print the story.. Teacher told me it didn't count to "write some hieroglyphs", I told he it was a program, she explained to me "it's not possible to just make a program".

yeah, i'm with the teacher on this one. you didn't complete the assignment. At grade 3, a lot of the value in homework is simply in learning how to do homework correctly. You didn't do the homework correctly, so it absolutley shouldn't have counted to "write some hieroglyphs".

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Post by noonespecial »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #55
Fellshard wrote: post #16

One thing that helps is the lightbulb moment: The most interesting thing you can know is other people. Not as objects, curiosities, but real, truly unfathomable beings. You'll never truly understand what's in someone else's head, but you can still spend your life striving to get to know them better, and to perhaps know them well enough to try and make their lives better. There is the age-old cliche of intelligent peo…

> There is the age-old cliche of intelligent people finding 'normal people' dull. That idea starts to fade when you really, truly embed yourself in another person's life, or they manage to embed themselves in yours before you realize that's what's happening. Does it, though? I mean, the part when you're discovering another human's story is interesting, but for me, that was always modulated by the feelings I had that…

"partner, children, family, home, job"

I found all of these "ordinary" things in life to be quite extraordinary when they happened to me!

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

collyw wrote: post #36
asdf21 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, knowing your IQ score and saying it outloud is badthink.

Everyone I have known who has bragged about their IQ has been a knob.

Well this guy who bragged to me one time that he had an IQ of 100 was definitely something.

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Post by chadcmulligan »

cheesymuffin wrote: post #4
sixQuarks wrote: post #2

I remember understanding people talking but not knowing how to speak when I was very little. I guess I’m a genius

What's your IQ? Mine is 163. It would be tough to argue that I'm not a genius.

Do you see things that no one else does? I'd be fascinated to hear more

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Post by friedegg »

A decade ago, my niece went in for pre-K testing, and the teacher showed her a list of animals, asking her to name them. Picture of a dog, spot. Picture of a cat, whiskers. Picture of a rabbit, hoppy, etc. The teacher tells her parents that she failed that section and needs to work on being able to identify animals. They point out to the teacher that she had asked her to name them, not identify them, and that's exactly what she did. Even now, she's a very smart, but very literal thinker, and it's fair to say it has caused her some conflict in school.

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chadcmulligan wrote: post #64
dusted wrote: post #59

(disclaimer: not a genious, iq 125) grade 0, first day, found name of classmate interesting as it was the same name as a character in a tale I liked, I remarked this, was told that it was cruel to "call people names", class was encouraged to find a "bad name" for me. grade 1, teacher used to enjoy holding me in front of the class, telling "this is [name], he thinks he's special, he likes attention" and have the other…

School is very much the case of "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down", be thankful you didn't have nuns or christian brothers.

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