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Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by yason »

zhte415 wrote: post #97
bigiain wrote: post #84

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> I would imagine that as the price of IPv4 addresses crosses some threshold, people will just start going to IPv6. Instead we see "carrier grade NAT" and I end up with IP addresses like 10.X.X.X on some of my cellular devices... 'If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.' -- Henry Ford

Henry Ford didn't actually say that, though it was in line with his thinking, perhaps. https://hbr.org/2011/08/henry-ford-never-said-the-fast

The article didn't say Ford didn't say the phrase but that there's no evidence Ford ever said that. So, the truth is (as with many historical things) that no one really knows the truth.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by toper-centage »

userbinator wrote: post #73
alexpotato wrote: post #29

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This reminds me of a conversation I had with the AC repairman last year. Backstory: we have an old AC unit that uses freon. The repairman mentioned that freon is no longer available for new AC units. I asked if you could still buy freon and he said yes, existing supplies were grandfathered in. I then commented that the price of freon must have sky-rocketed and he said: "yes, it did for a while but then it became chea…

I find the CFC situation to be rather interesting because it not only made it illegal to intentionally release them into the atmosphere (which would, if anything, just cause people to release them from things like old fridges and ACs even more frequently so as not to be caught with the "prohibited substance"), but by stopping production and keeping it legal to continue to use, created a market for recovering/resellin…

Can we do that with carbon? It's rare and valuable, let's try to contain it as much as possible! We're basically releasing TONS of what is basically black gold to the sky!!

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by kebman »

yojo wrote: post #63
nathancahill wrote: post #52

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There's an initiative in Guatemala where land owners are paid an amount of money every year for each acre of their land that they reforest. Naturally, land owners immediately started clear-cutting virgin rainforest, selling the lumber, and then collecting a payout from the government for planting pine trees that they'll raise for 10 years before they'll cut them down for lumber too.

Sounds like another example of the cobra effect: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect

That's a really interesting effect! Thank you for making me aware of it! However it should be noted that the reason it backfired, was because people exploited a weakness in the system, so to speak. It could even be that they did something illegal and fraudulent, since the bounties were obviously for animals that weren't bred in captivity, and for wild animals that were properly killed so they wouldn't be able to procreate. Thus the question remains on whether the measures had effective ways of dealing with such fraud, or whether that would make the whole thing more expensive than other measures.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by kebman »

Waterluvian wrote: post #49
alexpotato wrote: post #29

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This reminds me of a conversation I had with the AC repairman last year. Backstory: we have an old AC unit that uses freon. The repairman mentioned that freon is no longer available for new AC units. I asked if you could still buy freon and he said yes, existing supplies were grandfathered in. I then commented that the price of freon must have sky-rocketed and he said: "yes, it did for a while but then it became chea…

This is how I feel climate change will be tackled (whether too late or not). It will just become cheaper to go green and being green is just a side effect.

Hahaha it won't be cheaper at all. At some point people will just realize that, hey, being alive is sweeter than being dead. :D

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by tgragnato »

Faaak wrote: post #109
jokoon wrote: post #107

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I wonder if governments could somehow vouch for emails addresses being a little like verified twitter accounts, so that we can have a good whitelist of legit email addresses. Right now it seems gmail is benefiting from the chaos because they have the training data that allows them to know if a mail is spam. I just wish that the internet could adopt more security standards and processes. You can't trust only google no…

No thank you. I don't want to need a government sanctioned e-mail address to send an anonymous (whistleblower) e-mail for example.

Whistleblowing is the last of my concerns. I live in Italy and PEC is a thing, it’s a government certified email with legal value.

Technical rules for the formation, transmission and validation are mandatory: read receipts are automatic.

To use the service you must have a PEC box with one of the authorized managers. The publication of the list of authorized operators, the supervision and coordination is entrusted to the “Agency for digital Italy” (AgID).

This means that every citizen with a pec is paying to obtain an email from a bunch of friends of friends of the government, in a market with virtually no competition, and that your mail box is heavily surveilled but left unsecured.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by kebman »

sundvor wrote: post #66
Waterluvian wrote: post #49

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This is how I feel climate change will be tackled (whether too late or not). It will just become cheaper to go green and being green is just a side effect.

Yet initiatives like Carbon tax have been shot down (Australia) by big money, putting dangerous delays into the schedule.

Politicians trying to save the environment: Policitian #1: Um, I can't think of anything. Can you? Policitian #2: I got it! Let's make a new tax! It'll annoy these guys, while we'll insure our state jobs, and it'll make state finances look a ton better for all posterity! Policitian #1: Yeah, that sounds really great and all, umm, but will it fix the problem with greenhouse gases? Policitian #2: Don't be silly! This is as good a reason to make the state richer than any.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by kebman »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #101
jlarocco wrote: post #95

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I think carbon taxes are the opposite of what the OP is talking about. Carbon taxes are artificial barriers to using fossil fuels. On the other hand, when technology improves so that electric cars cost less per mile than gasoline cars, people won't necessarily buy them to be green, they'll buy them because they're a cheaper form of transportation that happens to be greener. Same with wind and solar power. When a sola…

Carbon taxes aren't artificial barriers. There are real costs to emitting carbon. Putting a price on negative externalities helps align incentives properly so the people making the coal plant have to consider the full costs of their actions.

Why not talk to the coal plant owner directly? Or how about the other 100(!) private citizens living around the world who control the companies that are responsible 70% of the greenhouse emissions of the entire Earth?

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by kebman »

sundvor wrote: post #100
jlarocco wrote: post #95

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I think carbon taxes are the opposite of what the OP is talking about. Carbon taxes are artificial barriers to using fossil fuels. On the other hand, when technology improves so that electric cars cost less per mile than gasoline cars, people won't necessarily buy them to be green, they'll buy them because they're a cheaper form of transportation that happens to be greener. Same with wind and solar power. When a sola…

Fair point, and an important one! As we're running out of time we ideally need both to happen, but it's good that green tech is becoming increasingly more financially viable. As a little gem, just about all reports from the SA Tesla battery installation make for simply fantastic reading.

Cars are a red herring. Even gasoline and diesel car aren't really contributing that much to world pollution compared to the real culprits, such as ocean liners and huge cargo ships. These ships alone pollute more than all the cars on Earth.

What do you think about going after the things that are actually harmful, instead of following a red herring? I mean, sure, cars should of course be dealt with also, but if you really want to lower carbon emissions fast, then shouldn't we go for the big fish first?

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by kebman »

luckydata wrote: post #106
Waterluvian wrote: post #91

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You're completely misreprenting what I'm saying. Yes, it will kill a lot of people. And it's a disaster. But humanity will adapt and be fine. Kind of like how humanity survived world wars doesn't discount how awful those wars were.

Yeah, that's denial. We're on the path to extinction if we don't seriously change something.

Oh don't be a doomer! Greta Thunberg is more optimistic than you! xD Oh wait, no she isn't. The end is nigh!

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by adrianN »

jokoon wrote: post #107
gscott wrote: post #60

I once applied for a position at what I found out to be a spam marketing company. In order to send their spam they worked with a local hosting company that would take unused legacy ip addresses and put them in their router so the spam could be sent over them. They would just burn the ip's and move on to the next set. My job would be to update their firewall with the new ips, update their mailing software with the cur…

I wonder if governments could somehow vouch for emails addresses being a little like verified twitter accounts, so that we can have a good whitelist of legit email addresses. Right now it seems gmail is benefiting from the chaos because they have the training data that allows them to know if a mail is spam. I just wish that the internet could adopt more security standards and processes. You can't trust only google no…

I prefer an Internet where people can do what they want without needing approval. This also invites bad actors, but I think that's a necessary evil.

As for spam, Thunderbird's filter works quite well for me.

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