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Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by daveFNbuck »

jlarocco wrote: post #95
sundvor wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet initiatives like Carbon tax have been shot down (Australia) by big money, putting dangerous delays into the schedule.

I think carbon taxes are the opposite of what the OP is talking about. Carbon taxes are artificial barriers to using fossil fuels. On the other hand, when technology improves so that electric cars cost less per mile than gasoline cars, people won't necessarily buy them to be green, they'll buy them because they're a cheaper form of transportation that happens to be greener. Same with wind and solar power. When a sola…

Carbon taxes aren't artificial barriers. There are real costs to emitting carbon. Putting a price on negative externalities helps align incentives properly so the people making the coal plant have to consider the full costs of their actions.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by SolarNet »

MaulingMonkey wrote: post #96
codedokode wrote: post #58

20 years seems a little too much for the crime that doesn't involve violence. 2 or 3 years and a solid fine should be fair punishment in my opinion.

While I'm more for rehabilitation than retribution, $10M - rough value of the stolen IPs - is a staggeringly large amount of money, around 4x the average lifetime earnings of a college graduate. $10M can save a lot of lives, and $10M missing from shareholder's accounts and not going into employee benifit plans for healthcare etc. might very well end some. Framing that as nonviolent... is correct by the letter of the…

I think the better framing is the amount of fraud, abuse, and second hand criminal activity this person enabled. His violations of the regulations allowed criminals to piggyback off of that and get away with crimes more easily.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by SolarNet »

codedokode wrote: post #58

20 years seems a little too much for the crime that doesn't involve violence. 2 or 3 years and a solid fine should be fair punishment in my opinion.

At some point it involved violence. It's one of those things where he provided a service that did not follow the regulations that were in part placed there to prevent crime. His violations of these regulations allow other criminals to piggyback off of him by using his services. Spammers, VPNs, and other services which criminals can use - especially with forged IP address ranges - to commit crimes. He is a middle man, and by not following regulations, he assisted all of those crimes.

Consider craigslist, they are protected by safe harbor laws because they comply with regulations and laws, even though criminal activity passes over their servers, it's a level that is deemed acceptable by society for the service they provide (given they are well regulated). When laws like FOSTA/SESTA get passed and change those regulations, some services will shut down (because they are no longer complying).

Which is why he probably deserves a larger sentence (though others have pointed out the ridiculousness of the US sentencing system and I don't disagree).

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by [deleted] »

Johnny555 wrote: post #78
glenneroo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would a propane tank pose any danger to occupants during/after an accident?

Proponents of propane as refrigerant claim that it's not more dangerous than the 10 gallons of gasoline in the gas tank. I'm not sure I agree. Since propane is heavier than air, it doesn't dissipate as quickly as, say, natural gas would. And while its true that you need the right mixture of propane and air for it to ignite, with the right-mixture, you've got a fuel-air explosive formed right next to an ignition sourc…

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Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by luckydata »

Waterluvian wrote: post #91
luckydata wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are in serious denial. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/climate/biodiversity-exti... What's happening right now is absolutely unprecedented and it will kill a lot of people. It's demoralizing how even within a crowd that's supposed to value science we have people waving away what's happening right now.

You're completely misreprenting what I'm saying. Yes, it will kill a lot of people. And it's a disaster. But humanity will adapt and be fine. Kind of like how humanity survived world wars doesn't discount how awful those wars were.

Yeah, that's denial. We're on the path to extinction if we don't seriously change something.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by jokoon »

gscott wrote: post #60

I once applied for a position at what I found out to be a spam marketing company. In order to send their spam they worked with a local hosting company that would take unused legacy ip addresses and put them in their router so the spam could be sent over them. They would just burn the ip's and move on to the next set. My job would be to update their firewall with the new ips, update their mailing software with the cur…

I wonder if governments could somehow vouch for emails addresses being a little like verified twitter accounts, so that we can have a good whitelist of legit email addresses.

Right now it seems gmail is benefiting from the chaos because they have the training data that allows them to know if a mail is spam. I just wish that the internet could adopt more security standards and processes. You can't trust only google now.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by distances »

paulmd wrote: post #80
codedokode wrote: post #58

20 years seems a little too much for the crime that doesn't involve violence. 2 or 3 years and a solid fine should be fair punishment in my opinion.

US prison sentences are ridiculously long in general. In principle the key word is supposed to be "up to", the judge is supposed to use their discretion. In practice , it's used as a lever to force plea deals. If you waste the government's time and money with a trial, you probably still won't win, but now you will be doing up to 20 years. Sign here and spare us the trial and you'll get 5 years. Of course then you hav…

> There is also the view that extreme prison sentences are supposed to be a deterrent and thus are unfair by nature. If know you are at risk of spending 20 years in jail, you won't do the crime. Of course in many cases criminals do not really consider the risk of getting caught, and likely wouldn't know the exact penalties for a given crime anyway...

I'm pretty sure it has been proven multiple times over that harsher sentences don't reduce crime. They serve just as retribution.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by Faaak »

jokoon wrote: post #107
gscott wrote: post #60

I once applied for a position at what I found out to be a spam marketing company. In order to send their spam they worked with a local hosting company that would take unused legacy ip addresses and put them in their router so the spam could be sent over them. They would just burn the ip's and move on to the next set. My job would be to update their firewall with the new ips, update their mailing software with the cur…

I wonder if governments could somehow vouch for emails addresses being a little like verified twitter accounts, so that we can have a good whitelist of legit email addresses. Right now it seems gmail is benefiting from the chaos because they have the training data that allows them to know if a mail is spam. I just wish that the internet could adopt more security standards and processes. You can't trust only google no…

No thank you. I don't want to need a government sanctioned e-mail address to send an anonymous (whistleblower) e-mail for example.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

gscott wrote: post #60

I once applied for a position at what I found out to be a spam marketing company. In order to send their spam they worked with a local hosting company that would take unused legacy ip addresses and put them in their router so the spam could be sent over them. They would just burn the ip's and move on to the next set. My job would be to update their firewall with the new ips, update their mailing software with the cur…

I'm glad you didn't. Tech doesn't really have the ethics standards that more mature fields like law or medicine have, but they should, and that sort of thing shouldn't pass muster.
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