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Re: City residents live with mental illness at higher rates than general population

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Post by scythe »

zaroth wrote: post #78
z9e wrote: post #69

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I agree with most of this, but I think your observation on religion is exaggerated. It's a very personal thing and I think it still helps a lot of people cope, regardless of how un-cool it is these days.

In the big picture, with amount of killing that has been done in the name of religion over millennia, I just find it hard to reconcile.

"Non-religious" systems of value, be it capitalism, communism, democracy, nationalism or something else, also kill people. Really it's values that people kill for, and religions are a subset of values. But we can't live without any values!

Re: City residents live with mental illness at higher rates than general population

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Post by logjammin »

magduf wrote: post #75
logjammin wrote: post #53

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It's a weird fetishization, isn't it? I think that's a really good point. Dovetails with political movements that idealize(d) the working man/class, as if poor people couldn't be as flawed and human as the rest of us. It's pretty bold to be talking about cities and mental health when about five minutes in a small town will vividly show you the backstabbing, gossipy, popularity contest bullshit that comes with "closel…

You bring up another thing: small towns are not actually "rural". Rural is when you literally cannot walk to a store in less than an hour to get food. Small towns really aren't that different from cities, just at a smaller scale. Things are still close together (in fact, usually they're more dense than suburbs) and walkable, if the town was laid out before the rise of the automobile. Of course, they have big downside…

Point taken! Thx for input!

Re: City residents live with mental illness at higher rates than general population

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Post by goatsi »

neilv wrote: post #86
spinach wrote: post #18

I live in a residential area in a city and there is nothing worse than the sound of a lawn mower. Those are seriously stress-inducing and awful.

Here (small lots, affluent people who pay landscapers to come by frequently for nebulous reasons) the real scourge is weekday unnecessary leafblowers. I think we've raised awareness in the last year, and leafblower use so far this season has dropped dramatically, but we'll see what September is like. We might have to try to outlaw leafblowers like some other Boston area places have.

Have some inspiration: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19351934

Re: City residents live with mental illness at higher rates than general population

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Post by frankling_ »

xkcd-sucks wrote: post #130
zaroth wrote: post #99

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We kill with science, do we kill in the name of science? But even so, that doesn’t make all the killing in the name of religion less bad.

If killing is justified by an evidence-based predictive model, it's probably killing in the name of science. This would include the Vietnam war ("Domino theory"), the atomic bombings of Japan ("it will be less costly than invading"), and anti terrorist drone bombing ("they fit our proven terrorist heuristic")

I don't follow that line of reasoning at all. "Killing in the name of religion" would be to protect or spread some sort of metaphysical belief. The equivalent would be something like going to war with another country to build universities there.

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Post by cjmcqueen »

elliotec wrote: post #106
magduf wrote: post #44

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That's not my experience with rural areas at all. Instead, it's usually pretty noisy because of all the neighbors with barking dogs (yes, there are neighbors in rural areas; most people can't afford 40 acres all to themselves, so they live in little clusters), and it stinks because of the cow and horse manure. Just hope you're not located close to a pig farm. And of course there's all the noisy trucks everyone drives…

I live in Salt Lake City, and while of course I have a strong bias, I'd argue we have the best of all worlds right here. The city, mountains, and just as close, some of the most remote and serene desert in the world.

I love SLC, but the pollution has gotten too intense.

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Post by acct1771 »

esoterica wrote: post #54
sdegutis wrote: post #35

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That's not a trade-off. You have the exact same substance abuse in suburbs and cities. It's a universal problem.

The substance abuse epidemic is much worse in some places than others. Saying it’s exactly the same everywhere is disingenuous.

Yeah, like Harlem, and LA.

Re: City residents live with mental illness at higher rates than general population

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Post by acct1771 »

frankling_ wrote: post #134
xkcd-sucks wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If killing is justified by an evidence-based predictive model, it's probably killing in the name of science. This would include the Vietnam war ("Domino theory"), the atomic bombings of Japan ("it will be less costly than invading"), and anti terrorist drone bombing ("they fit our proven terrorist heuristic")

I don't follow that line of reasoning at all. "Killing in the name of religion" would be to protect or spread some sort of metaphysical belief. The equivalent would be something like going to war with another country to build universities there.

Check out this little country called Afghanistan.

Although, not sure if any Universities specifically have been built there by the West, yet.

Re: City residents live with mental illness at higher rates than general population

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Post by elliotec »

cjmcqueen wrote: post #135
elliotec wrote: post #106

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I live in Salt Lake City, and while of course I have a strong bias, I'd argue we have the best of all worlds right here. The city, mountains, and just as close, some of the most remote and serene desert in the world.

I love SLC, but the pollution has gotten too intense.

While I totally agree that the pollution sucks when it sucks here, it has been trending better year over year for the past ten years[0], and is lower on the list than the most populous parts of California (including the entire LA area and the entire SF Bay Area) in terms of year-round, short-term, and overall air pollution[1].

[0]https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/83hj3v/air...

[1]https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2452992&itype=CMSI...

Re: City residents live with mental illness at higher rates than general population

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Post by [deleted] »

acct1771 wrote: post #137
frankling_ wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow that line of reasoning at all. "Killing in the name of religion" would be to protect or spread some sort of metaphysical belief. The equivalent would be something like going to war with another country to build universities there.

Check out this little country called Afghanistan. Although, not sure if any Universities specifically have been built there by the West, yet.

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