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Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Can anyone stop him? I don't want him to do this. I don't want these tariffs. Does this mean the Republican Party is compliant in this nonsense?

I, on the other hand, am glad these tariffs are happening. They've been a long time coming.

I really only have one problem with these tariffs. That Trump didn't get our allies to also raise their tariffs against China.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

#42

Can anyone stop him? I don't want him to do this. I don't want these tariffs. Does this mean the Republican Party is compliant in this nonsense?

I am, for the most part, a free-trade advocate.

But I have been having more and more doubts when it comes to China. Free trade has not made China a more free place. It looks like they are just using their economic power to hurt freedom everywhere.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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"Foreign Telecom Gear" really only ever seems to mean Huawei and China in these proclamations.

The fact is the majority of Telecom gear is foreign-made with regards to the US. To wit:

Alcatel-Lucent - France

Nokia - Finland

Siemens - Germany

Samsung - Korea

Fujitsu and NEC - Japan

If the US were to truly enforce a domestic US-only vendor selection it would be limited to Cienna, Cisco, Qualcomm and Motorola. And to my knowledge none of those four companies are making 5G switching gear.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see the fear mongering or problem here. This executive order would forbid the government from purchasing and installing Telecom/Networking equipment that would be considered to have a higher than acceptable risk. Given that China isn't exactly the most friendly nation to the US, and given Huawei is by nature, an extension of the Chinese Government, it's not unreasonable to assume China might at some po…

Maybe that's our fault for outsourcing all of our semiconductor production to China. We got cheap electronics out of the deal, but we've lost a lot of expertise in manufacturing as a result.

We don't outsource semiconductor production to China, China actually currently lacks leading edge semiconductor capabilities

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

#45
A little off topic: I think multiple countries should join together to co-sponsor security evaluation labs to check Cisco, Huawei, and all telecom companies. These labs should get access to hardware design, software, etc. This can be done in a way that mostly protects individual company’s intellectual property.

I suspect that the top telecom tech companies would go along with this idea, to get vetted, if it would help increase their business. Right now there are two European and one Chinese company who can ship 5G gear. I would like all 5G, and older gear also, to be vetted by international security labs.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

#46

A little off topic: I think multiple countries should join together to co-sponsor security evaluation labs to check Cisco, Huawei, and all telecom companies. These labs should get access to hardware design, software, etc. This can be done in a way that mostly protects individual company’s intellectual property. I suspect that the top telecom tech companies would go along with this idea, to get vetted, if it would hel…

> This /cannot/ be done in a way that mostly protects individual company’s intellectual property /from spilling into other countries hands/

Fixed.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

#47
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see the fear mongering or problem here. This executive order would forbid the government from purchasing and installing Telecom/Networking equipment that would be considered to have a higher than acceptable risk. Given that China isn't exactly the most friendly nation to the US, and given Huawei is by nature, an extension of the Chinese Government, it's not unreasonable to assume China might at some po…

Maybe that's our fault for outsourcing all of our semiconductor production to China. We got cheap electronics out of the deal, but we've lost a lot of expertise in manufacturing as a result.

China is only about 10% of overall semiconductor production. Mostly the older technologies. A large amount of wafer production is in Taiwan and South Korea.

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#49

A little off topic: I think multiple countries should join together to co-sponsor security evaluation labs to check Cisco, Huawei, and all telecom companies. These labs should get access to hardware design, software, etc. This can be done in a way that mostly protects individual company’s intellectual property. I suspect that the top telecom tech companies would go along with this idea, to get vetted, if it would hel…

Yeah, the problem is that unlike the EU and US companies, Huawei is just the institutional arm of a communist dictatorship regime masked as a company.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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A little off topic: I think multiple countries should join together to co-sponsor security evaluation labs to check Cisco, Huawei, and all telecom companies. These labs should get access to hardware design, software, etc. This can be done in a way that mostly protects individual company’s intellectual property. I suspect that the top telecom tech companies would go along with this idea, to get vetted, if it would hel…

Sort of like UN weapons inspects?
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