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Microsoft Patches ‘Wormable’ Flaw in Windows XP, 7 and Windows 2003

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Re: Microsoft Patches ‘Wormable’ Flaw in Windows XP, 7 and Windows 2003

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The flip side of this is that there has to be an acceptable newer replacement with a better security model. For a lot of Windows 7 users, Microsoft have yet to offer that. (I imagine this is going to cause quite a stir if Microsoft try to stick to their published EOL date for Windows 7 next year, given that still nearly half of Windows users are using it.)

They could create a premium, telemetry-free version of LTSB/LTSC for the several hundred million Windows 7 users who are waiting for the market to provide an upgrade path which supports modern hardware.

If they made Windows 10 Pro more like the Pro edition of earlier versions, i.e., targeted at smaller businesses or power users who want a professional OS but not all the enterprise hassle, I would think they could do very well. But a professional OS doesn't do things like taking control of your computer to update or reboot whenever it feels like it or forcing you to upload any data you don't want to.

I have a suspicion that at some point Microsoft are going to back down on the big deal-breakers. They don't try to push their luck with those kinds of games in their enterprise products, because the big customers simply won't accept them. The frequent failures are just proving the critics right, and there have already been tentative moves to moderate the problems with mandatory updates. If changes in that sort of direction go far enough, they will appeal to smaller but serious customers who aren't running enterprise editions but have similar concerns.

If Microsoft really don't take the hint and back down when it comes to the crunch, I suspect Windows 7 will make the immortality of XP look like an amateurish trial run. I know my businesses all stocked up on Windows 7 machines a couple of years back while we still could, and since then we've been actively investigating multiple possible alternatives to Windows desktops for future use. Looking for alternatives seems to be the general trend across the other small tech businesses within my network as well, so if Microsoft think they're going to call everyone's bluff and get the whole world to migrate to 10 next year by shutting off updates for 7, I suspect they have seriously misjudged their market.

Re: Microsoft Patches ‘Wormable’ Flaw in Windows XP, 7 and Windows 2003

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They could create a premium, telemetry-free version of LTSB/LTSC for the several hundred million Windows 7 users who are waiting for the market to provide an upgrade path which supports modern hardware.

If they made Windows 10 Pro more like the Pro edition of earlier versions, i.e., targeted at smaller businesses or power users who want a professional OS but not all the enterprise hassle, I would think they could do very well. But a professional OS doesn't do things like taking control of your computer to update or reboot whenever it feels like it or forcing you to upload any data you don't want to. I have a suspici…

They have backed down on the Store/UWP, which is progress.

Re: Microsoft Patches ‘Wormable’ Flaw in Windows XP, 7 and Windows 2003

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Hot take: but yes, it is. They sold the software and they are preventing anyone else from patching XP. I think that by doing so they have responsibility. If they don't want it then that's okay: just allow other people to patch XP. The situation where I'm not able (or even legally allowed!) to patch my own computer system is pretty ridiculous. I'm not massively in to "Free Software" or the "four essential freedoms", b…

> I'm not massively in to "Free Software" or the "four essential freedoms", but I do think people should have the freedom to fix software they bought ("right to repair"). Doesn't the first part of your sentence contradict the second? The only way it would be possible to patch software yourself is if you had the source code. (I suppose you could reverse engineer the binary, but that's not practical, and besides, you c…

It's allowed by Microsoft Limited Reciprocal License.

Re: Microsoft Patches ‘Wormable’ Flaw in Windows XP, 7 and Windows 2003

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On a side note, I think that Vista wasn't necessarily unpopular, it just had a good upgrade path/incentive for users (unlike XP to Vista).

No, it was quite unpopular, period. See: https://xkcd.com/528/ There was the popular perception at the time that every other version of Windows was good, while the in-betweens sucked. Vista followed that expectation perfectly, as did Windows 8.

> No, it was quite unpopular, period. See: https://xkcd.com/528/

I've always read this comic as making fun of people for having unjustifiably low opinions of Vista.

Re: Microsoft Patches ‘Wormable’ Flaw in Windows XP, 7 and Windows 2003

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Not even a wormable flaw could convince them to patch Vista, apparently (assuming it's not somehow magically invulnerable when the versions before and after it weren't).

From netmarketshare.com:

- XP market share: 3.57%

- Vista market share: 0.23%

- Mac OS 10.10 market share: 0.51%

(10.10 went out of support the same year as Vista)

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