Live data from Hacker News

Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

circleid.com

41–50 of 155 posts

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For enough dollars you can sample 100k address at random and have a decent guess? Not everyone responds to a ping but I suspect most do

ICMP is blocked by default now in many firewall setups, so unless the admin specifically allows ICMP the packets will likely be dropped. Also, be careful as "host discovery" can be viewed as a type of "hacking" depending on who you are and who is watching/judging you.

nobody has ever gone to jail for using the ping tool

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#42
post #30
post #26

Anyone here know a good place to buy or lease ipv4? Is this going to lower the prices?

https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/transfers/stls/regis... This looks like a blip compared to demand so I wouldn't expect prices to drop.

This seems like a huge amount of addresses to me, the price should drop if supply goes up. I don't expect it to tank though.

Is there a recommended broker or website? I googled a few of those "transfer facilitators" and they looked sketchy to me with many of them asking you to contact them for a price.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with the AC repairman last year. Backstory: we have an old AC unit that uses freon. The repairman mentioned that freon is no longer available for new AC units. I asked if you could still buy freon and he said yes, existing supplies were grandfathered in. I then commented that the price of freon must have sky-rocketed and he said: "yes, it did for a while but then it became chea…

I had an 88 Chevy Pickup Truck that used the old style freon (R12). Man that stuff worked so good. In 100 degree heat that truck would stay nice and cold. It took over 20 years before the alternatives were competitive.

Propane makes a good substitute for R12 with very little modifications. I wouldn't use it inside a home or anything like that, but I have used it to make older vehicles blow cold.

It's extremely good refrigerant. The biggest problem people have is that it ends up too cold and icing up the system.

It sounds dangerous, but it's really not. Propane is only flammable with the correct mixture of air. Otherwise you couldn't light it with a blow torch. Even if you have a leaky system it isn't going to leak fast enough to cause a issue. Also propane is significantly heavier then air so anything that leaks out is going to go to ground. And the amount of propane you use is not very significant.

Cars that end up having issues with propane are typically home built propane fuel conversions with no ventilation under the tanks or connections. The propane can then pool in the low places and build up enough to cause a explosion.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#44
post #32
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what share of deployment would you consider v6 as happening — 10%? 20%? 40%? 60%? 80%? 90? Or would you require even more than 100% of the people who have v4 access?

When it becomes viable to market IPv6-only home connections.

It's already viable to supply IPv6 only mobile with NAT64 (see T-Mobile US). I'm aware that many residential ISPs are putting everybody behind CGNAT; and there's some amount of push towards LTE for residential internet, so I suspect IPv6 with a transition mechanism is already viable for home connections.

Anyway, given the number of people who have effectively no choice in home connections, what are we going to do when the incumbent provides us with IPv6 only? LTE or Satellite is going to be even less likely to give me a real IPv4 address.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For enough dollars you can sample 100k address at random and have a decent guess? Not everyone responds to a ping but I suspect most do

ICMP is blocked by default now in many firewall setups, so unless the admin specifically allows ICMP the packets will likely be dropped. Also, be careful as "host discovery" can be viewed as a type of "hacking" depending on who you are and who is watching/judging you.

Your first point is definitely correct.

Your second point though... really? Do you have any sources for anyone, anywhere being charged for using ping?

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#47
post #2

I always wondered if someone had created a biz for the purpose of hoarding IPv4 with intent to “sell them”. We talked about this kind of abuse back in the 90s when I worked for a hosting company. Part of my job was filling out ARIN templates and SWIP and all that nonsense. Justification was easy, but it occurred to me how easy it would be to fake requests and just pay the trivial fees. There were already some busines…

I work for a UK based ISP. We have millions of unused addresses, largely because back in the 90s they were practically giving them away. We're still expanding and using up new IPs daily, but we often sell blocks when the department needs a boost...

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#48
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an active, mature market for IPv4 addresses (just google "IPv4 address broker"), so it stands to reason that there are people hoarding them for speculation. It's not free money, of course -- it's entirely possible that the value goes down, as things that reduce the pressure on the IPv4 address space slowly come online (CGNAT and IPv6) That said, I'm a bit confused by this story. ARIN ran out of addresses in…

IIRC you can get a laughably small number from ARIN if you say the right things, and you could get a slightly less laughably number in the past. Try saying you're an ISP and all your customers are dualstack already but you need 128 v4 addresses for compatibility or CGNAT or your DNS caches or something.

I doubt they are assigning anybody less than a /24 - it's not globally reachable.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#49
post #2

I always wondered if someone had created a biz for the purpose of hoarding IPv4 with intent to “sell them”. We talked about this kind of abuse back in the 90s when I worked for a hosting company. Part of my job was filling out ARIN templates and SWIP and all that nonsense. Justification was easy, but it occurred to me how easy it would be to fake requests and just pay the trivial fees. There were already some busines…

This reminds me of a conversation I had with the AC repairman last year. Backstory: we have an old AC unit that uses freon. The repairman mentioned that freon is no longer available for new AC units. I asked if you could still buy freon and he said yes, existing supplies were grandfathered in. I then commented that the price of freon must have sky-rocketed and he said: "yes, it did for a while but then it became chea…

This is how I feel climate change will be tackled (whether too late or not). It will just become cheaper to go green and being green is just a side effect.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#50
post #46

Am I the only person who gets an HTTPS error when trying to open the link to circleid.com?

The link is http, so you're using something (perhaps HTTPS Everywhere?) which is converting it to an https link.

According to the Qualys SSL tester (https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.circleid....), the IPv6 server for www.circleid.com has "Certificate not valid for domain name" (and the IPv4 server gets an F grade), so you're probably either using IPv6, or using IPv4 with a browser which no longer accepts the obsolete TLS 1.0 version.

Post reply on HN