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Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the Congress supersede every state law with national law, what’s the point of having states?

No one said anything about superseding every state law, just those regarding health care.

Friendly reminder that our 10th Amendment rights exist specifically to limit federal power, and to give states superceding power over the federal government. The opposite doesn't actually exist.

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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post #63

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Suggestion 1 has been looked at. They've found it doesn't work.

Who are “they”? And why should we trust them?

Here is one source: https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/selling-insurance-across-s...

Why should we trust them vs a random HN commenter?

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

#73

Here in Australia, most drivers seem to be using several other apps (Didi, Ola, etc) at the same time as Uber. So in that sense, they are a contractor in my eyes.

This isn't just in Australia. I see this everywhere, including in the US.

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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post #53

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> Why can't health insurance companies sell across state lines right now? Every state has unique requirements and Congress has never superseded them with a national health law.

If the Congress supersede every state law with national law, what’s the point of having states?

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Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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post #70

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Who are “they”? And why should we trust them?

Well, it's a common talking point. Have you looked into it? It's an honest question, who has the onus of responsibility for research? OP or me?

re onus, everyone.

And the further reduced the tone of ambitiously taking any questions (especially on HN) the more you sound like somebody who migrated from 4chan to mess with us

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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post #63

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1. Deregulate the health insurance market so you can sell across state lines. 2. Employers start giving their employees the money they pay on their behalf. 3. People shop for the health insurance they want/need. In a year, every other advertisement on TV would be for health insurance, like it is with car insurance now.

Suggestion 1 has been looked at. They've found it doesn't work.

It's not so much "doesn't work" as "people in the insurance business have reasons why they would take advantage to the detriment of consumers"

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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post #23

It’s sad that the idea of people being able to get by and live a comfortable life without the benefits from a full time job is so far outside the Overton window that it’s not even mentioned in these conversations. That seems like such an obviously better outcome for everyone - what if we got rid of healthcare benefits and other types of favorable tax treatment that are tied to full time employment so that everyone is…

1. Deregulate the health insurance market so you can sell across state lines. 2. Employers start giving their employees the money they pay on their behalf. 3. People shop for the health insurance they want/need. In a year, every other advertisement on TV would be for health insurance, like it is with car insurance now.

It's already legal in several states, but no insurance companies took them up on it.

Trump additionally signed an executive order to setup a national way to do it, but it died off as a policy proposal because the insurance companies aren't interested

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/out-of-state-health-insu...

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's a common talking point. Have you looked into it? It's an honest question, who has the onus of responsibility for research? OP or me?

re onus, everyone. And the further reduced the tone of ambitiously taking any questions (especially on HN) the more you sound like somebody who migrated from 4chan to mess with us

Doesn't OP have the responsibility to at least admit that his main suggestion is extremely common and well researched, and to explain what gives him special insight or authority?

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

#79
I wonder if a simple change to Uber's app would fix all this -- let drivers set their own rates, and customers could pick from a number of drivers nearby based on how close they are, and what rate they charge. And/or let customers put out a bid for the rate they want to pay, then any driver can accept that bid and get the fare.

That way drivers could be more legally considered contractors (they set their own rates), and none would feel underpaid (after all they get paid the rates they set).

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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Having been an Uber /Lyft driver I can't even fathom what it would mean for a driver to be an employee with expenses paid. Is the driver driving a gas guzzling F250 entitled to a higher reimbursement for cost of driving than me driving a Honda insight?

If I owned the company, I'd rather buy vehicles (with which I can reasonably control costs) and provide the vehicle to the driver employee.

My second option, as owner, is to offer a fixed reimbursement - per mile, per minute, whatever the economics dictate.

I'm not, as owner, going to invite 'come one, come all' with their random expenses and offer to reimburse them all.

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