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Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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Important:

> The memo released on Tuesday, which was dated April 16, has no long-term value as a precedent and can be reversed by a future general counsel. Its immediate consequence is to render moot three formal accusations, filed in different parts of the country, that Uber had violated federal labor law. The memo instructs the board’s regional offices to dismiss the charges if the people who made them do not withdraw them first.

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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One of the symptoms of our current political paralysis is the over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy instead of Congress debating and passing laws. Instead of trying to get net neutrality through law, we depend on the FCC trying to shoe-horn ISP into an old law designed for phone companies. Instead of explicitly talking about what protections people who sign up for the "gig" economy should get, we try to shoe-horn them into either employees or contractors when in reality they are in a gray zone and we don't have the political will to conduct a debate on what we should do.

The downside is instead of having an open debate about the pros/cons and having a law with some staying power, the situation changes depending on the whims of whoever is President and who they appoint to various administrative positions.

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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Uber drivers are fighting the wrong fight in this case. They should focus on fighting for a minimum wage that accounts for expenses. Uber's edge is not their technology, their edge is the ability to burn billion dollars a quarter subsidizing rides. Uber is masking customer demand and this sort of behavior is anticompetitive and should not be allowed in an industry as critical as transportation.

Case in point, when Uber/Lyft was forced to pay their drivers a minimum wage that accounted for expenses, Uber and Lyft stopped accepting new drivers in New York City. They were force to act according to true supply and demand.

Link: https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/29/18522885/uber-lyft-not-ac...

Re: Uber Drivers Are Contractors, Not Employees, Labor Board Says

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One of the symptoms of our current political paralysis is the over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy instead of Congress debating and passing laws. Instead of trying to get net neutrality through law, we depend on the FCC trying to shoe-horn ISP into an old law designed for phone companies. Instead of explicitly talking about what protections people who sign up for the "gig" economy should get, we try to s…

I'm sorry, what? The "over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy" is just shorthand for "congress can't pass these laws".

But that's not because some passive voice nonsense about "political paralysis", it's because these are partisan issues. One party doesn't want these laws to pass, and won't vote for them.

It's not a passive structural problem. There are good guys and bad guys here. If you actually care, it's time to take a stand.

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One of the symptoms of our current political paralysis is the over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy instead of Congress debating and passing laws. Instead of trying to get net neutrality through law, we depend on the FCC trying to shoe-horn ISP into an old law designed for phone companies. Instead of explicitly talking about what protections people who sign up for the "gig" economy should get, we try to s…

Also the courts. Which is incredibly slow and painful for everyone involved.

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One of the symptoms of our current political paralysis is the over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy instead of Congress debating and passing laws. Instead of trying to get net neutrality through law, we depend on the FCC trying to shoe-horn ISP into an old law designed for phone companies. Instead of explicitly talking about what protections people who sign up for the "gig" economy should get, we try to s…

I'm sorry, what? The "over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy" is just shorthand for "congress can't pass these laws". But that's not because some passive voice nonsense about "political paralysis", it's because these are partisan issues . One party doesn't want these laws to pass, and won't vote for them . It's not a passive structural problem. There are good guys and bad guys here. If you actually care, i…

Take a stand against who? The politicians are empowered by regular Americans who support them. Your neighbors and friends.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, what? The "over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy" is just shorthand for "congress can't pass these laws". But that's not because some passive voice nonsense about "political paralysis", it's because these are partisan issues . One party doesn't want these laws to pass, and won't vote for them . It's not a passive structural problem. There are good guys and bad guys here. If you actually care, i…

Take a stand against who? The politicians are empowered by regular Americans who support them. Your neighbors and friends.

It's possible it's time to confront your neighbors and friends.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, what? The "over-reliance on executive agencies to set policy" is just shorthand for "congress can't pass these laws". But that's not because some passive voice nonsense about "political paralysis", it's because these are partisan issues . One party doesn't want these laws to pass, and won't vote for them . It's not a passive structural problem. There are good guys and bad guys here. If you actually care, i…

Take a stand against who? The politicians are empowered by regular Americans who support them. Your neighbors and friends.

"Taking a stand", in the sense used here, refers to taking action to effect change. Call up your neighbors and tell them who to vote for. Tell all your friends who you are voting for, and why.

Excusing this as some kind of structural problem with "political paralysis" sounds, to me, like you're a nominal republican who hates republican policies but is reaching for an excuse to avoid hanging out with dirty hippies and AOC. But the hippies are right, here, if you care about these issues.

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