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Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by mcv »

sedeki wrote: post #22

Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?

I used to support Wikileaks and Assange. I think the collateral murder video was very important to release. Assange lost my trust when he seemed to go mad with power due to the impact of the Manning leaks, when he get increasingly irresponsible with releasing unredacted stuff, and with the rape case.

Mostly he gives me the impression that he's in it for his personal glory, and he believes himself above accountability. I still support the original goal of Wikileaks, but I hate how they squandered their credibility due to Assange's antics.

Clinton has nothing to do with it for me.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by viraptor »

dogma1138 wrote: post #370
viraptor wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how this is similar to negotiating with terrorists. He holds no power in this case while physically unreachable by Sweden. If found guilty, he gets more problems. If found innocent, he's stuck with all the original problems. Charging him for running away also seems irrelevant to the original question - was this case more than a political play.

So in your opinion it's ok for someone who committed a crime to run away and hide and then have the DA go and question to them knowing regardless of the outcome they can't touch them and even compelling them to answer questions would be impossible unlike in court? Ofc not, they should be marked as fugitives and held in contempt until they can brought in. This wasn't a political case this was an asshole trying to esca…

You're bringing up the actual act of running away. I'm saying once someone already ran away and you know you can't touch them, it's more beneficial to everyone to allow them to testify remotely than delay/close the case, potentially forever.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by dang »

viivaux wrote: post #367
dang wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of whether someone else posted a bad comment. We've had to warn you several times before. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this, so we don't have to ban you?

Wasn't a personal attack - it was a statement of fact. Please learn the difference.

The two often coincide. And facts can make an attack crueler. Imagine a middle schooler pointing out facts about another kid's face.

With your comment above, even if I assume you were right on all the facts, it is still a personal attack, insulting the other person's aversions and so on. This is not how thoughtful discussion goes, and we ban people that do this on HN.

We've had to ask you quite a lot about this kind of stuff. I don't want to ban you—I'd rather persuade you that following the site guidelines is in your interest. Why not take them to heart? Doing that makes the site better for everyone, including you—just the same as not littering in a city park or having campfires when a forest is at risk. This being the internet, HN is always at risk, and we all need to care for the commons.

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by pluma »

olalonde wrote: post #51
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape. There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.

> If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy I had sex with a girl who lied about being on birth control. Was I raped?

I would say it's not rape but it's definitely a con and should be illegal.

The difference between being tricked into impregnating and being tricked into being impregnated is that impregnation only affects the bodily autonomy of the person being impregnated. There are other consequences and many of them are shared by both persons but the bodily autonomy part is present on in one.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by NoblePublius »

pitay wrote: post #111
NoblePublius wrote: post #92

Civil disobedience means accepting the consequences of your actions.

That statement just excuses any authority to do what they want. A despotic dictatorship would be absolutely fine for people to repeat 'accepting the consequences of your actions' so that if anything horrible happens to someone it is not okay to criticise the authority on what they did because they are not 'accepting the consequences of their actions'. This simply excuses anyone in power doing anything to any dissente…

If you commit crimes like Assange, claim you did so in the public interest, and then hide from the consequences, you are merely a criminal. If you commit crimes like Martin Luther King Jr, claim you did so in the public interest, and then sit in jail and let the public see your suffering in the face of injustice, you are a civili dissident. Assange is a whiny criminal, not a hero.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by aliswe »

acallaghan wrote: post #10
aliswe wrote: post #2

Perhaps they are prosecuting him with the intention of granting asylym afterwards. Somehow it feels like a grab.

No it's because he's a rape suspect in Sweden - it's not a giant conspiracy or 'a grab', he's just a suspect that ran away from the law. The USA have already requested his extradition in the UK - to say that "Sweden only sought rape charges because then the USA can extradite him from Sweden" is clearly bogus. If he actually confronted these charges in Sweden, and found guilty, he may actually be out of prison by now.…

Okay, now I get it. They cancelled prosecuting him because he couldn't be reached. But now they can.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/aklagaren-vill-hava-haktn...

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