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The case for Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare

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Re: The case for Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare

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Ok, you've convinced me that "obviously" was an overstatement. I'll take that word out and tone down that sentence. What's on topic is what gratifies intellectual curiosity. It may not gratify everyone's, but that's true of every submission. A single errant flag isn't going to get anyone penalized, but if users show a pattern of flagging intellectually substantive articles on uncommon or unexpected topics (especially…

The parent article would likely be flagged less if it had a nicer title. A title like "Was Shakespeare a Woman?" likely sets off a lot of warnings on peoples' clickbait radars, causing people to flag the submission without even reading the article.

this is one thing i hate about hacker news' policy of editing (and thus editorializing) titles and links. for one, nobody knows what you two are discussing because no one knows what the original title was, what the original change was, and how those differ from the current title. it just confuses things. and more often i can't find articles i had read earlier in the day because the title and maybe even link has changed. and all that ignores the possibility of editorializing an article's title. to me, the original title, regardless of its provocativeness, is always preferred. if there is a need to update the link, then that should be in a comment and stickied if hacker news had that feature.

Re: The case for Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare

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All: yes it's a provocative title and the topic has been overcooked over the years, but on HN what matters is the article. This article is interesting and perfectly on topic for HN. Most of us have never heard of Emilia Bassano. There's a great Borges quote. And so on. Comments are welcome if your curiosity is engaged. But if you're triggered, and want to vent, that's not curiosity. Let it go and move to something yo…

> triggered

Please don't misuse this word, it does not mean "annoyed", it is something serious that can happen to someone with PTSD. Unfortunately socially-challenged people with alt-right leanings have co-opted the term to harass vulnerable people. (Not saying you're any of this, it has seeped out into more general usage too, but it would be considerate of us to avoid it.)

Re: The case for Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare

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Synopsis of the article: - First half: Shakespeare didn't write the plays himself. - Second half: Life of Emilia Bassano, and "traces" thereof in some of Shakespeare's work, as narrated by "Emilia Bassano’s most ardent champion" John Hudson. In all honesty, the only quote I could find that attempts to substantiate the claim of Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare, about 3/4 in the piece, is the one I quoted. The claim doesn…

You're treating the article as if it's claiming proof when it's really just exploring a question. Is that really so hard to see? or so bad? A literary review article is perfectly welcome on HN if it's interesting and curious. We could use more of those.

> You're treating the article as if it's claiming proof when it's really just exploring a question.

It's not "exploring a question." It's casting aspersions. Which is cowardly and intellectually dishonest.

Also the article contains nothing but lies.

Re: The case for Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare

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All: yes it's a provocative title and the topic has been overcooked over the years, but on HN what matters is the article. This article is interesting and perfectly on topic for HN. Most of us have never heard of Emilia Bassano. There's a great Borges quote. And so on. Comments are welcome if your curiosity is engaged. But if you're triggered, and want to vent, that's not curiosity. Let it go and move to something yo…

I look forward to you defending moon landing conspiracies as "interesting" next

Re: The case for Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare

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I've flagged the piece as wild speculation. Baffled what part of the article stimulated your intellectual curiosity. Remarkably, the article itself rests the case of relationship between Shakespeare's plays and the respective lady, as well as the the motivations of the author, in two phrases out of the hundreds meandering mostly around the subject. To save everyone else's time: > Her writing style bears no obvious re…

Curiosity and speculation are compatible. The spirit that would banish speculation, not so much.

Would you consider ill-informed, poorly-argued, patently false nonsense on-topic if it concerned a science or technology topic? This “triggers” people with interest or expertise in literature because the “X wrote Shakespeare’s plays” has been discussed to death by experts and lay people alike. It’s the literary equivalent of crackpot amateur theories about the solution to cold fusion.

Re: The case for Emilia Bassano as Shakespeare

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You're treating the article as if it's claiming proof when it's really just exploring a question. Is that really so hard to see? or so bad? A literary review article is perfectly welcome on HN if it's interesting and curious. We could use more of those.

> You're treating the article as if it's claiming proof when it's really just exploring a question. It's not "exploring a question." It's casting aspersions. Which is cowardly and intellectually dishonest. Also the article contains nothing but lies.

Could you please review the site guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Note how they include:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize."

The author of an article is someone, and we're far away from strongest plausible territory here.

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