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Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not standard. If you still want the job, try the following: print it, cross out the parts you don’t like, initial the changes, sign it and send back the scanned pdf. Most of the time HR doesn’t notice or care as long as they can check it off their list.

Does this work?

Sometimes... If the person does not properly check the document or if they don't actually seriously care about that clause.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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In general, you should not solicit from counterparties whether they believe the terms they are offering to you are reasonable or not. Assuming you're a well-compensated professional, which is true of the overwhelming majority of people on HN signing CIIAAs, you can afford to have every one read by a lawyer working for you, and you probably should. In terms of whether it's a market term or not: continuing to own your…

I consulted with a lawyer in a different jurisdiction and above was the interpretation of it. i.e. _owning work created after you're separated_.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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In general, you should not solicit from counterparties whether they believe the terms they are offering to you are reasonable or not. Assuming you're a well-compensated professional, which is true of the overwhelming majority of people on HN signing CIIAAs, you can afford to have every one read by a lawyer working for you, and you probably should. In terms of whether it's a market term or not: continuing to own your…

I consulted with a lawyer in a different jurisdiction and above was the interpretation of it. i.e. _owning work created after you're separated_.

don't sign!

if you are in SV, and you are not at a project where your output is critical to the companies success, you are wasting your time.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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This is not common at all. What is common is to have such a clause apply to the period of employment but not after. Please feel comfortable telling your employer to remove it (many people don't know that every contract is negotiable).

Employer doesn't want to change it saying it's common and everyone signed it.

I've signed contracts where they say it's common, and regret it every time. This is a massive red flag.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they plan to screw you. But it certainly means they don't trust you, and it brings all the downsides of lack of trust.

It also means that they're effectively filtering out talent, so your colleagues are unlikely to be very good.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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Assume the opportunity cost of signing is as you suggest: that you will not be employable in any future role in any field with another company that generates intellectual property. How much does this restriction cost you? Plausibly seven figures. Consider signing if the prospective employer offers you something of comparable value in return for you signing up for this unusual restriction.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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It's not clear to me exactly what they are asking.

Are they saying that anything you create on company time belongs to them indefiniely? That's fairly commmon in the UK and I don't have any stong feelings about it.

Are they saying that anything you create after you leave belongs to them? That's definitely not OK, but it's not clear that's what they are saying.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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I've been in Silicon Valley for ~25 years and held 10 jobs.

I've never seen this before and I would NEVER ever sign something like this.

This sounds like indentured servitude. The manager is lying to you when she says that it's "common". Run away from this company, fast. No job is worth signing an indefinite contract like that.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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This is not common at all. What is common is to have such a clause apply to the period of employment but not after. Please feel comfortable telling your employer to remove it (many people don't know that every contract is negotiable).

Employer doesn't want to change it saying it's common and everyone signed it.

Don't join. You will be making a huge mistake if you do.

Re: Ask HN: Asking to sign an agreement claiming work I do after term of employment

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post #8
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not standard. If you still want the job, try the following: print it, cross out the parts you don’t like, initial the changes, sign it and send back the scanned pdf. Most of the time HR doesn’t notice or care as long as they can check it off their list.

Does this work?

If the counter party accepts it then it is the contract. You can do this with any contract, to include phone carriers and credit card companies.
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