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Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

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One can choose whether they want to begin a social & hormonal transition but they cannot choose to not have the genetic and biological factors that are at play[1]. I doubt anyone take the decisions lightly. It is a huge burden on your life. In my case, I have decided to transition after 25 years of successfully living as a male. The burden of not transitioning was compounding with interest and I felt as if waiting an…

>If there is a diagnostic of gender dysphoria which increase as their body develop, they might choose to use puberty blockers at the start of adolescence to stop the body from going through a puberty that increases this distress. Interesting position that we're in as a society where you can't be trusted to make decisions about almost anything thing until you're 18 but would allow a child and help them stunt/alter the…

It may help to think of it as a medical treatment. We don't withhold heart surgery from a child just because they aren't 18 and can't legally consent to it, and likewise we don't withhold treatment for gender dysphoria just because of age.

Note that the diagnostic criteria for this treatment are very strict. It's not gonna accidentally be given to a mere "tomboy".

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How would a lack of choice and the ability to self determine be positive?

You can't pick your ethinicity either, it just exists.

If by ethnicity you mean genetics, then no, you can't change that (not yet anyway). But if you mean outward appearance of ethnicity, then yes, there are plenty of ways to adjust it that are widely employed. Everything from skin whitening cream to tanning to bleaching to plastic surgery to whatever Rachel Dolezal did. A lot of this stuff is very widespread in many countries, e.g. it's very common for Asians to get eyelid surgery to look more white.

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You can't pick your ethinicity either, it just exists.

People would change it if they could, same as height and any number of other immutables that people are discriminated on.

People are already getting leg surgeries to adjust height. It doesn't seem worth it to me, and there's lots of potential negative side effects, but this is something that is actually happening.

And I don't even need to explain all the surgeries people do to add or remove fatness.

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Are there other online Machine Learning apps out there for this? Or is Snap-Chat the only one? I remember back in the VRML/SecondLife heyday where you could pick an avatar that was another gender. I still do that. But the emphasis for voice chat in modern games and MMORPGs make it far more difficult. A low gruff voice does not bode well coming from a feminine avatar. Catches too many off guard.

My company, Modulate, is building "voice skins" for exactly this purpose: customizing your voice in chat for online videogames! It's a really interesting technical challenge. On the one hand, changing your timbre to another human voice is much more complicated than basic pitch shifting, so we ended up using deep neural networks for a kind of simultaneous speech-recognition and speech-synthesis approach (though traini…

Interesting approach; is your system low enough latency to avoid the delayed audio feedback problem?

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From a machine learning standpoint, I would guess that this is achieved with a partially supervised approach. The idea would be to embed an entire face dataset from a number of different poses to a latent space by some method (could be as simple as PCA, or as complex as an arbitrary neural network). An arbitrary classification method (using a partial labelling of faces by gender) yields a hyperplane which optimally separates the labelled points. Then, something like a simple reflection across this hyperplane yields another point in the latent space, and the generator yields a corresponding face of the opposite gender.

Anyone know if this has been implemented for a task like this?

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There's nothing inherently wrong with maintaining the construct of gender, if it has been defanged to do no harm to anybody. If "gender" just means that you put on a dress and makeup and now you're "a girl", or you put on a suit and cut your hair and now you're "a dude", then "gender" isn't really anything to be afraid of, because anyone can put on or take off a gender any time they like, and it's no longer an inhere…

If you remove the link to sex, then what's the difference between gender and personality? My understanding is that gender is a social construct that maps behavior onto biology... if you sever that link, then you're left with behavior. Why do we need to maintain these categories of masculinity and femininity? Why are we reifying archetypes instead of moving past them?

The thing gender "actually is", when you pare everything else away, is a set of role scripts. Culture is made of rituals, and these rituals have labelled slots for people to fit into. The labels are genders (and also ages, social classes, and familial relationships, but that's less relevant here.)

Think of it this way: a wedding has a "bride" and a "groom." One way to think of it—the beach-head gay rights have established for us—is that either a man or a woman can be "a bride"; and either a man or a woman can be "a groom." Therefore, you could have a wedding with two "brides" who are both men, if you wanted.

Another way to think of it, though, is that being "a groom" (and all other such similar roles) is what it means to be "a man." In this model, a wedding is one of many rituals—a stage-play with a script—and one character in this stageplay is called "the bride", while another character is "the groom." You can't have two brides; that's not how the play of "The Wedding" is written. But anyone can play "the groom." And whoever plays "the groom" in the wedding, is also known as "a man"—at least for the purposes of the wedding script. If you happen to always play the set of roles in role-scripts that say that "a man" plays them, then you are "a man." Your gender is something you deduce from the set of roles you favor.

The work that goes into being transgender—the hormones, makeup, clothes, all that? Other than for the few people with true Body Dysmorphic Disorder (who would get reassignment surgery even if there were no other humans left on Earth to observe the results), the whole goal of the transitioning process is to get other people to "cast" you as the role you prefer to be identified with in these cultural role-scripts. A transman is someone who wants other people to intuitively place them as "the groom" at the wedding. That's the essential quality of it.

And, if you don't go for any of the available gender role-scripts that our culture defines? Then you don't have a (simple, obvious) gender, according to said culture. You would be genderqueer, nonbinary—whatever the word is today. Even if you're accidentally a completely central example of masculinity or femininity—if you aren't playing the role associated with that presentation, then it ain't your gender.

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>If there is a diagnostic of gender dysphoria which increase as their body develop, they might choose to use puberty blockers at the start of adolescence to stop the body from going through a puberty that increases this distress. Interesting position that we're in as a society where you can't be trusted to make decisions about almost anything thing until you're 18 but would allow a child and help them stunt/alter the…

I used to think like that and then I learned that suicide rate is extremely high among young people with gender dysphoria and these medicines are known to reduce that risk.

> and these medicines are known to reduce that risk

I'd known the first, but I've seen very few sources for actual studies on this. Do you happen to know of any? Even a 5 year study of people transitioning vs people denied the ability to transition would be greatly appreciated. There's a lot of people out there saying that transitioning doesn't lower lifetime suicide risks and I'd love something to push back on that.

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Did you find the filters? You have to hold down on your face when the selfie camera is activated. It's on my LG G7, which basically nobody uses, so I doubt they only targeted certain phones (unless they block generic criteria like less than 2 GB ram or something).

> Did you find the filters? You have to hold down on your face when the selfie camera is activated. This right here is why I hate Snapchat. I've never seen a more unintuitive UI.

There's theories out there that Snapchat's confounding UI is to make older people frustrated with it and avoid it, keeping it cool.

Re: Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

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I looks like what you could see in "A Scanner Darkly" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405296/

You read my mind! I was just going to post this -

So here's a real application than Snap and kiddie jokes (not saying they are not fun!) - a scramble suit to protect witness/whistle-blower identity

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